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I don't understand...I thought Jews were the masters of vagueness...lol...
If one would take time to study how language changes from century to century. Then one would understand how the meaning of words change over a 3000+ year period. What was understandable from then is vague now. Add in centuries, and folklore has seeped in. Thus as the manner of thought has changed so has speech. Thus what a word means now meant something else back then.
No, I would say correct forum...I am attempting to ascertain where the christian concept came from because it is not in the Tanakh as far as I've found...
If one would take time to study how language changes from century to century. Then one would understand how the meaning of words change over a 3000+ year period. What was understandable from then is vague now. Add in centuries, and folklore has seeped in. Thus as the manner of thought has changed so has speech. Thus what a word means now meant something else back then.
I've understood this for a long time, one cannot attach a modern meaning to a word employed 3000+ years ago, one is just not going to get the same meaning that the original author was conveying...This is what I try to tell people...I do understand linguistics, I've been doing it for over 40 years...
acutally its origins were from Egypt around 2000 BCE during the Middle kingdom of Egypt.
So, would you say it influenced the Greek concept?...It is interesting to note that the RCC has a similar concept of purgatory to that of Judaism...Where one goes to have their sins cleansed before moving on to Olam Haba...The arguement that I was having with a co-worker was that Hell was not found in the Tanakh, he found several references in the OT and I told him to look in the Tanakh, he said, but I am not Jewish so why should I read the Tanakh...Because the OT is supposed to be the Tanakh in English yet there are many differences, like translating Gehinnom and Sheol as Hell...the first refers to a valley the second refers to the grave...Gehinnom meant something specific to an audience 3000+ years ago that today has lost meaning or simply refers to a geographic place...If Gehinnom was a valley where refuse and the bodies of criminals and dead animals were burned and the fires were stock continuously, that still doesn't warrant a concept of the wicked burning eternally, because to use Gehinnom metaphor, one would have to see the reality that eventually the refuse and carcasses would be utterly destroyed...Even if one took a live person and placed them there, eventually the person would die and the body would turn to ash...No resurrection possible?...
If you want the source material for hell, you'll need to find some Pagan and Gnostic "works." Those seem to be core belief systems that fed into Paul's creation. You'll have to forgive this Yid if I can't quote verse and line in one of those works.
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