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Old 02-15-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Well, TripAdviser is not sure where the KC Streetcar is. They probably had it in Kansas till somebody complained. Now it's in Missouri City.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti..._Missouri.html
On the plus side, the Streetcar is now on the top 7 list of "things to do in Missouri City", including "Downtown St. Louis"



https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti..._Missouri.html
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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On the plus side, the Streetcar is now on the top 7 list of "things to do in Missouri City", including "Downtown St. Louis"



https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti..._Missouri.html
The interesting thing is, Missouri City, Mo., is about 20 miles downriver from Kansas City, Mo. It's a small hamlet of some 250-odd souls in southeast Clay County. MO 210 will get you there.

But it's the smaller Missouri City. The bigger one is in Texas.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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The interesting thing is, Missouri City, Mo., is about 20 miles downriver from Kansas City, Mo. It's a small hamlet of some 250-odd souls in southeast Clay County. MO 210 will get you there.

But it's the smaller Missouri City. The bigger one is in Texas.
So you're saying the real "Kansas" City is in Missouri, and the real "Missouri" City is in Texas.

Where is the real "Texas" City? Let's keep this going...
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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So you're saying the real "Kansas" City is in Missouri, and the real "Missouri" City is in Texas.

Where is the real "Texas" City? Let's keep this going...
It's in Texas.

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Old 02-16-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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It's in Texas.

That's what they want you to think.
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Old 03-23-2018, 08:43 AM
 
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Default The author explains!

So, luzianne suggested I email the author and ask her myself, as to why KCK was included in the book and not KCMO. Quoted here is my email, and below is her wonderful response.

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Hello Ms. Balkan!

I ran across your book 50 Cities, and really enjoyed the artwork, and the whole concept. (I am a self-confessed map nerd AND city nerd.)

One big question occurred to me, though. What was the thinking behind profiling the city of Kansas City, Kansas (KCK) while Kansas City, Missouri (KCMO) was omitted? KCK is only the 3rd-largest municipality within the Kansas City metro, and not only is KCMO the central city of that metro, but it's 3 times larger than KCK. Also, 90% of the cultural attractions in the metro are located in KCMO.

I will grant that the decision to include KCK may have been wholly intentional, but if so I was just curious about the reasoning behind it.

Many thanks! Keep 'em coming!
Thanks for writing! My apologies for taking me this long to respond! I just realized that the emails from this account where not getting forwarded to my usual account. Whoops!

Choosing the cities for 50 CITIES was the thing my editor and I argued about the most...and my biggest regret for the book. I am kicking myself that we didn't include one city for every state. The editor of this book has many fine qualities, but, since she is Australian and lives in England, I don't think truly comprehends how icky it is to leave out eight states. I am frustrated that I didn't stick to my principals on this one!

Now, if I am to answer your question truthfully, I have to admit a couple of very embarrassing things.

The first is that I got confused between KCK and KCMO.
When we came up with our list of cities, I had KCKMO in my mind, but didn't double check some of the details before submitting the city list for final approval. If I had realized, I probably would have still chosen St Louis for my MO city...but I certainly would have selected another KS city. Arg.

The second thing is that we put this book together in an untraditional way.
In this case, I had four days to research and write a city, then passed my text and art notes along to the illustrator, who then had four days to draw based on my art notes, then the fact checker would review, then the editor. It's an unusual way to manage a book, but that's how we did it! Traditionally, you write the entire book and then send it to an editor, then the fact checker, then finally the illustrator. If we had done that, I would have realized my error early on and approached Kansas differently.

Finally, is that--not always -- but sometimes a book's deadline overthrows every other rational thing. By the time I realized my KC error, we were in a tight deadline spot and had to kist keep moving full steam ahead.

The good news is this gives me something interesting to talk about with students when I visit classrooms!

What are some of the other geography books you've enjoyed?
Nice to hear from you! I think you are the first person I have confessed to

Cheers!
Gabe
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Sooo ...this phenomenon strikes again.
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Sometimes I think KCMO should change its name just to avoid the constant confusion. Before I moved here I had no idea how many people were unaware that Kansas City (the main one) is in Missouri rather than Kansas. I thought it was common knowledge. My first inkling came when a co-worker in my last job in the Seattle area mentioned to someone that I was moving to Kansas, which I had to correct him about. Since I have moved here, I can't believe how many times I've had to tell one person or another that I live in Missouri, not Kansas. Even in this very forum I recently had to tell someone here that Kansas City is in Missouri, not Kansas.
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:14 AM
 
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Sooo ...this phenomenon strikes again.
I have a rather arch (but accurate in terms of local usage) stock response when people reply with questions or comments about Kansas when I tell them where I'm from:

"If I were from Kansas City, Kansas, I would have said so."
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Old 03-25-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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So, luzianne suggested I email the author and ask her myself, as to why KCK was included in the book and not KCMO. Quoted here is my email, and below is her wonderful response.



Thanks for writing! My apologies for taking me this long to respond! I just realized that the emails from this account where not getting forwarded to my usual account. Whoops!

Choosing the cities for 50 CITIES was the thing my editor and I argued about the most...and my biggest regret for the book. I am kicking myself that we didn't include one city for every state. The editor of this book has many fine qualities, but, since she is Australian and lives in England, I don't think truly comprehends how icky it is to leave out eight states. I am frustrated that I didn't stick to my principals on this one!

Now, if I am to answer your question truthfully, I have to admit a couple of very embarrassing things.

The first is that I got confused between KCK and KCMO.
When we came up with our list of cities, I had KCKMO in my mind, but didn't double check some of the details before submitting the city list for final approval. If I had realized, I probably would have still chosen St Louis for my MO city...but I certainly would have selected another KS city. Arg.

The second thing is that we put this book together in an untraditional way.
In this case, I had four days to research and write a city, then passed my text and art notes along to the illustrator, who then had four days to draw based on my art notes, then the fact checker would review, then the editor. It's an unusual way to manage a book, but that's how we did it! Traditionally, you write the entire book and then send it to an editor, then the fact checker, then finally the illustrator. If we had done that, I would have realized my error early on and approached Kansas differently.

Finally, is that--not always -- but sometimes a book's deadline overthrows every other rational thing. By the time I realized my KC error, we were in a tight deadline spot and had to kist keep moving full steam ahead.

The good news is this gives me something interesting to talk about with students when I visit classrooms!

What are some of the other geography books you've enjoyed?
Nice to hear from you! I think you are the first person I have confessed to

Cheers!
Gabe
I still don't really understand. When researching KCK, you would quickly figure out that it's not the primary city. You would have to seriously go out of your way to avoid all the KCMO info when you research KCK. I actually find it quite impressive, that they didn't make any mistakes trying to find only stuff in KCK.
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Old 03-26-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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I still don't really understand. When researching KCK, you would quickly figure out that it's not the primary city. You would have to seriously go out of your way to avoid all the KCMO info when you research KCK. I actually find it quite impressive, that they didn't make any mistakes trying to find only stuff in KCK.
I think this is what they call a "successful failure". It's accurate but irrelevant.
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