Metro KC passes the 2 million mark in 2008... (Kansas City, St. Louis: calculated, live in)

[kcmo]

Well, it's "semi" official.

The KC metro is now over 2,002,047 people as of July 2008.

I think our MSA is a bit silly as it includes far away counties with very little population while not including Douglas, KS which is much closer. Cities comparable to Lawrence near every other MSA are included in their respective CMSA, but Lawrence just refuses to be grouped with KC for some reason.

Regardless of how you look at it though, the KC area has over 2 million people now. It’s actually closer to 2.1 or 2.2 if you include Lawrence. If you include St Joe in our CMSA, it goes to 2.3 million. The only reason I would include Lawrence and St Joe is to fairly compare metro KC to other metro population stats which do tend to include cities like Lawrence and St Joe in their CMSA stats.

I don't know how the recent census change in KCMO's population affects this number either. KCMO's 2007 population was recently changed from 448,000 to 475,000 by the census and that change doesn't appear to show up in the MSA stats.


Here is a full list:


01 - New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 19,006,798
02 - Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 12,872,808
03 - Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI 9,569,624
04 - Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 6,300,006
05 - Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,838,471
06 - Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5,728,143
07 - Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 5,414,772
08 - Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 5,376,285
09 - Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,358,130
10 - Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,522,858
11 - Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 4,425,110
12 - Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 4,281,899
13 - San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 4,274,531
14 - Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4,115,871
15 - Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,344,813
16 - Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 3,229,878
17 - San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 3,001,072
18 - St. Louis, MO-IL 2,816,710
19 - Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,733,761
20 - Baltimore-Towson, MD 2,667,117
21 - Denver-Aurora, CO 2,506,626
22 - Pittsburgh, PA 2,351,192
23 - Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 2,207,462
24 - Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 2,155,137
25 - Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA 2,109,832
26 - Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 2,088,291
27 - Orlando-Kissimmee, FL 2,054,574
28 - San Antonio, TX 2,031,445
29 - Kansas City, MO-KS 2,002,047
30 - Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 1,865,746
31 - San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 1,819,198
32 - Columbus, OH 1,773,120
33 - Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 1,715,459
34 - Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 1,701,799
35 - Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,658,292
36 - Austin-Round Rock, TX 1,652,602
37 - Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,596,611
38 - Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Franklin, TN 1,550,733
39 - Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 1,549,308
40 - Jacksonville, FL 1,313,228
41 - Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,285,732
42 - Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 1,244,696
43 - Richmond, VA 1,225,626
44 - Oklahoma City, OK 1,206,142
45 - Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 1,190,512
46 - New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 1,134,029
47 - Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,124,309
48 - Birmingham-Hoover, AL 1,117,608
49 - Salt Lake City, UT 1,115,692
50 - Raleigh-Cary, NC 1,088,765
51 - Rochester, NY 1,034,090
52 - Tucson, AZ 1,012,018

[skrazzle]

I don't know how they determine what is part of the metro.... Lawrence I could see being considered part of it.

St. Joe tho... i dunno, it just doesn't seem like part of KC to me. It's about an hour from downtown.. so to include it would be like including Topeka.... it's weird cuz they are bigger cities that are very close... but I don't personally feel like they are part of KC.

[kcmo]

I completely agree, but when you look at Denver, Indy, Cincy, Cleveland etc, those CMSA stats include cities like Lawrence and St Joe.

I’m not talking MSA, but CMSA. I just want KC to compare in a fair way to other markets. It’s silly to include Greeley in Denver or Middletown in Cincy and not Lawrence in KC.

[GraniteStater]

Lawrence should be included in the KC CMSA. St. Joseph should not be included because it CONTINUES to be a solid stand alone city that is somewhat less connected to the metro area. The Census Bureau lists St. Joseph as a separate metro area. I do disagree with the premonition that Lawrence should be grouped seperately. The counties I feel that the Census Bureau should eliminate from the KC CMSA are: Caldwell, Bates, and Linn.

[skrazzle]

Originally Posted by kcmo

I completely agree, but when you look at Denver, Indy, Cincy, Cleveland etc, those CMSA stats include cities like Lawrence and St Joe.

I’m not talking MSA, but CMSA. I just want KC to compare in a fair way to other markets. It’s silly to include Greeley in Denver or Middletown in Cincy and not Lawrence in KC.

Now that is true, if those are included in the CMSA, then no it doesn't make since not to include ST. Joe and even Topeka at that point possibly? They are within the same distance of KC that Greely is to Denver.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by skrazzle

Now that is true, if those are included in the CMSA, then no it doesn't make since not to include ST. Joe and even Topeka at that point possibly? They are within the same distance of KC that Greely is to Denver.

Topeka has its own media market. It is not even remotely connected with Kansas City. That would be like implying that Chicago should include South Bend, IN in its metro area.

[skrazzle]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Topeka has its own media market. It is not even remotely connected with Kansas City. That would be like implying that Chicago should include South Bend, IN in its metro area.

well i don't know how this is calculated.... i was just going by the distance from KC.. if people are considering anything within an hour of a city, etc.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by skrazzle

well i don't know how this is calculated.... i was just going by the distance from KC.. if people are considering anything within an hour of a city, etc.

I am sure they have forumulas based on commuting patterns. However, I think more people commute from St. Joseph, MO to the KC metro even compared with Topeka. Many people who live in Lawrence commute to Topeka or KC because it is in between the two cities.

[skrazzle]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

I am sure they have forumulas based on commuting patterns. However, I think more people commute from St. Joseph, MO to the KC metro even compared with Topeka. Many people who live in Lawrence commute to Topeka or KC because it is in between the two cities.

That makes since too, i've known people to communte to ST joe or from there to here, i've never heard of anyone going to Topeka

[MoNative34]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Topeka has its own media market. It is not even remotely connected with Kansas City. That would be like implying that Chicago should include South Bend, IN in its metro area.

Technically, St. Joe has its own media market. It sort of lies within the Kansas City Market. St. Joe has an ABC affiliate. Probably a good thing because the ad rates are cheaper. They must be if a local used car lot can run a commercial during "Lost"... Probably not feasable in on KMBC in Kansas City.

How far do these TV stations transmit?