[Raiderman]

Those examples are different than pizza which, by definition, is "a dish of Italian origin consisting of a flat, round base of dough baked with a topping of tomato sauce and cheese, typically with added meat or vegetables." No one is taking a slab of beef and calling it a pizza. They are taking a flat, round base of dough and baking with a topping. How they choose to do so is well within the realm of "pizza". Just because it originated in a particular country, doesn't mean it's exclusive to that country, any more than the hamburger is ONLY a hamburger if it comes from Athens, TX and is only made with mustard and bermuda onions on sliced bread.

[ScoopLV]

The first burger came from New Haven. Google "Louis' Lunch"

Your point would have more weight if what we're foisting off on an ignorant public had more of a resemblance to the real thing. I see pizza as just another example of a larger problem -- all the fake Parm, balsamic, olive oil, champagne and similar we have in our markets.

InBev recently got smacked because they were trying to pass off Beck's as "made in Germany." German brewers were rightly angry about that.

Just call it "Chicago Deep Dish" and the problem goes away. AND it will have the added bonus of elevating the dish because people are no longer trying to pass it off as something which it clearly isn't.

EDIT -- Let's turn it around and see how everyone likes it. Imagine if Europeans started eating baked chicken wings, doused with ketchup. And they called it "Buffalo Wings." (Not likely because Europeans aren't generally morons.) But let's say they did. The dish has a passing similarity to the real thing. And let's say it becomes the most popular food in Europe. And now let's say they come to New York on vacation, order some Buffalo wings -- and then send them back because, "Ach! These are so spicy! I said I wanted Buffalo wings. Don't you have any ketchup?!?!?"

Are these ketchup-dripping fakes now Buffalo wings? Of course they aren't. It's the same thing with most of the pizza sold in America. It has a passing similarity to the real thing. Nothing more.

[Caltovegas]

Real pizza and real maple syrup. I'm glad I grew up in the north east. Fluff-A-Nutter sandwich or American Chop Suey anyone? I will give Giordanos a taste but as it has gone commercial my expectations won't be too high.

Just from my pizza experience the best pizza comes from family owned restaurants. That's their business and that's all they do. Oh yea sauce is called gravy.

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

The first burger came from New Haven. Google "Louis' Lunch"

Your point would have more weight if what we're foisting off on an ignorant public had more of a resemblance to the real thing. I see pizza as just another example of a larger problem -- all the fake Parm, balsamic, olive oil, champagne and similar we have in our markets.

InBev recently got smacked because they were trying to pass off Beck's as "made in Germany." German brewers were rightly angry about that.

Just call it "Chicago Deep Dish" and the problem goes away. AND it will have the added bonus of elevating the dish because people are no longer trying to pass it off as something which it clearly isn't.

EDIT -- Let's turn it around and see how everyone likes it. Imagine if Europeans started eating baked chicken wings, doused with ketchup. And they called it "Buffalo Wings." (Not likely because Europeans aren't generally morons.) But let's say they did. The dish has a passing similarity to the real thing. And let's say it becomes the most popular food in Europe. And now let's say they come to New York on vacation, order some Buffalo wings -- and then send them back because, "Ach! These are so spicy! I said I wanted Buffalo wings. Don't you have any ketchup?!?!?"

Are these ketchup-dripping fakes now Buffalo wings? Of course they aren't. It's the same thing with most of the pizza sold in America. It has a passing similarity to the real thing. Nothing more.

Or google any of the 5 or 6 people who did the same thing up to 20 years earlier

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

The first burger came from New Haven. Google "Louis' Lunch"

Your point would have more weight if what we're foisting off on an ignorant public had more of a resemblance to the real thing. I see pizza as just another example of a larger problem -- all the fake Parm, balsamic, olive oil, champagne and similar we have in our markets.

InBev recently got smacked because they were trying to pass off Beck's as "made in Germany." German brewers were rightly angry about that.

Just call it "Chicago Deep Dish" and the problem goes away. AND it will have the added bonus of elevating the dish because people are no longer trying to pass it off as something which it clearly isn't.

EDIT -- Let's turn it around and see how everyone likes it. Imagine if Europeans started eating baked chicken wings, doused with ketchup. And they called it "Buffalo Wings." (Not likely because Europeans aren't generally morons.) But let's say they did. The dish has a passing similarity to the real thing. And let's say it becomes the most popular food in Europe. And now let's say they come to New York on vacation, order some Buffalo wings -- and then send them back because, "Ach! These are so spicy! I said I wanted Buffalo wings. Don't you have any ketchup?!?!?"

Are these ketchup-dripping fakes now Buffalo wings? Of course they aren't. It's the same thing with most of the pizza sold in America. It has a passing similarity to the real thing. Nothing more.

It does. Is it not toppings on round baked dough? Now, if we were calling lentil stew "pizza", you might have an argument. But as long as there are toppings on baked dough, it's a pizza BY DEFINITION.

[ScoopLV]

Toppings on baked dough isn't necessarily pizza. Just like sauce on chicken wings isn't necessarily Buffalo wings. Either this makes sense to you, or it doesn't.

When some random dude in Naples says, "Questo e la pizza," then it's pizza. Just like when some random dude in Buffalo says, "Good Buffalo wings, man," then it's Buffalo wings.

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

Toppings on baked dough isn't necessarily pizza. Just like sauce on chicken wings isn't necessarily Buffalo wings. Either this makes sense to you, or it doesn't.

When some random dude in Naples says, "Questo e la pizza," then it's pizza. Just like when some random dude in Buffalo says, "Good Buffalo wings, man," then it's Buffalo wings.

Only if you disagree with the definition of pizza. We will agree to disagree, I suppose.

And, just an FYI, buffalo wings, by definition, have a spicy sauce, so your argument is invalid. Have a great day

[Caltovegas]

Ok this is getting way to technical. Let's go another route. When you order your pizza what toppings are going to add?

Me: Sausage, Pepperoni, Onions, Garlic, Extra Cheese and Mushrooms. Of course washed down with a couple cold ones. Perfect.

[ScoopLV]

Pizza, by definition, is cooked at extremely high temperatures for a short time, usually in a wood-fired brick oven.

It is not a floppy, gloppy, limp mess. I don't think you're ever going to get it. Enjoy your Papa John's.

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

Pizza, by definition, is cooked at extremely high temperatures for a short time, usually in a wood-fired brick oven.

It is not a floppy, gloppy, limp mess. I don't think you're ever going to get it. Enjoy your Papa John's.

I prefer Pizza Rock's version of pizza over Papa John's version of pizza.