Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
NYC may be a first rate city but what is Long Island today? It's not really a part of NYC, but it depends on NYC more on more for jobs and culture. While a very nice place to live with it's own charms I can't say it's a very exciting place or a cultural center. So to compare LI to Charlotte or any other medium city just doesn't work these days.
At least you'll have a casino, sort of, without the shows and stuff.
NYC may be a first rate city but what is Long Island today? It's not really a part of NYC, but it depends on NYC more on more for jobs and culture. While a very nice place to live with it's own charms I can't say it's a very exciting place or a cultural center. So to compare LI to Charlotte or any other medium city just doesn't work these days.
At least you'll have a casino, sort of, without the shows and stuff.
I see what you are saying but LI is just a suburb. Most suburbs in this country are boring and lacking culture. I doubt the cookie cutter suburbs of Charlotte or Houston are cultural hotspots either. I don't think she was comparing LI to Charlotte is think she was comparing to NYC.
And that's exactly who is clamoring for "cheap" housing, etc., and always talking about moving out of NY ... them and retirees. If you think about it, it makes sense for them, but I wish they would stop trying to tell everyone else what to do. No, folks, you're not "smarter" than those who live on LI or in NYC, you just have lower standards. Many people in NYC and on LI would not be caught dead living in Charlotte. Even though it is a moderate city, it is fourth-rate or lower compared to locations like NYC, Silicon Valley and San Francisco. Lately people are so desperate they are on here touting the virtues of super-cheap and really boring southern areas. South Carolina and Tennessee for instance. That blows my mind because they are both among the most crime-ridden states in the USA. Are they really so desperate for cheap living? It's sad. If my husband and I moved off LI, it would be to another suburban area of a world class city, as per the list above. I would not live near anything below a second-rate city if I had to ... and only for career reasons at that.
LOL, I dont have the stamina for some of these know-it-alls. So much time on their hands to argue about a place they used to live. I check back every couple days and laugh.
"He went down south across the border, left the chaos and disorder, back there over his shoulders"--Jim Morrison of "The Doors"
Just about sums it up for me. Spent the day yesterday out in the Sonoran Desert, the rock formations, endless mountain ranges, the strange and foreboding landscape, the dead silence other than the wind whistling through the Palo Verde's. Fascinating place, may not be for everyone, however it's anything but boring. It's amazing that anything can survive in that environment, yet it's teaming with life. You can keep all your culture, cities and suburbs, the rat race, crime, who's got more than who, class envy etc. Who needs any of it? Out there it's all irrelevant as the desert lives on, unchanged for thousands of years. No one could ever get me to go back to New York.
I see what you are saying but LI is just a suburb. Most suburbs in this country are boring and lacking culture. I doubt the cookie cutter suburbs of Charlotte or Houston are cultural hotspots either. I don't think she was comparing LI to Charlotte is think she was comparing to NYC.
Let's see...
Quote:
No, folks, you're not "smarter" than those who live on LI or in NYC, you just have lower standards. Many people in NYC and on LI would not be caught dead living in Charlotte.
Nope, she's equating NYC and LI to an actual major city.
Here's the thing, as a suburb Long Island is just so-so. Wasn't always that way but it's become that way over the years with the loss of the businesses and entertainment that gave it some of it character. It has things like the beaches, great towns along to shores, the East End, and just so many other things that you'd be hard pressed to find somewhere else, but with each visit it just seems to be falling behind other places. I'm not saying it's bad or horrible, but just not where it could be with the people and resources it does have. And I'm not talking about a two-bit casino which will just send more money to Albany.
Last edited by ClarkStreetKid; 01-18-2015 at 04:50 PM..
Status:
"Let this year be over..."
(set 24 days ago)
Location: Where my bills arrive
19,219 posts, read 17,099,287 times
Reputation: 15538
Quote:
Originally Posted by peconic117
I see what you are saying but LI is just a suburb. Most suburbs in this country are boring and lacking culture. I doubt the cookie cutter suburbs of Charlotte or Houston are cultural hotspots either. I don't think she was comparing LI to Charlotte is think she was comparing to NYC.
I'm curious what makes the "cookie cutter suburbs" phrase get used so often when referring to southern locations. Is there truly a difference between these new planned communities and the "cookie cutter" suburbs found throughout the NY metro area?
I get the impression Austin and other low-tax cities are stealing NY's thunder. If NY had the same magnetism it had decades ago, it wouldn't have to hustle the benefits in TV ads every night and bribe companies with free tax goodies to consider moving here.
If a company can do business in a low tax state, they will. Captains of industry care more about profitability than a Park Avenue address.
In LI's case, it would fare far worse than a city full of charm and character like Charlotte without proximity to NYC. Those ugly LI splits and mcmansions would be selling for $140K.
New York State and NYC/Downstate New York are very different. Upstate has been hurting since the end of U.S. manufacturing, downstate is healthy and wealthy. Introducing the State of New York into a discussion about NYC probably doesn't make much sense. 95% of millionaires in NYS live in NYC/Downstate, for instance. 80% of NYS's GDP is from NYC. The difference between the two couldn't be more stark and most of those commercials and tax free zones are meant to help Upstate.
And the bribing is not new to The governor here in Texas travels the country and bribes corporations into moving to Texas by touting low-cost of doing business and throws in huge financial incentives. His most successful effort is recently getting Toyota to move their U.S. headquarters from Southern California to Dallas.
In regards to NYC's pull, nothing will ever steal NYC's thunder in the next century.
It recently surpassed London as the financial center of the world.
Also, for with the exception of Houston and Dallas, most of these low cost southern cities barely have any major corporations. And they're both well behind New York and that's not going to change.
Fortune 500 Companies 2014
New York 84
San Francisco 30
Chicago 29
Houston 26
Los Angeles 22
Dallas 18
Minneapolis 17
Atlanta 16
Washington DC 16
Detroit 14
Boston 12
Denver 9
Philadelphia 9
Seattle 9
Cleveland 7
Miami 7
Phoenix 5
Portland 2
San Diego 2
And millionaire households are rare in Southern Cities, with the exeption of Houston and Dallas (which is so small compared to NYC)
Metro Areas Ranked by Millionaire Households 1. NYC 898,800
2. Los Angeles: 330,000
3. San Francisco: 199,300
4. San Jose 122,400
5. Chicago: 264,300
6. Washington DC: 220,700
7. Boston: 147,700
8. Philadelphia: 135,700
9. Houston: 131,000
10. Dallas-Fort Worth: 113,300
11. Detroit: 108,200
11. Seattle: 87,800
NYC has more rich people than any city in the world.
Cheaper cities will never, ever even approach the wealth and corporate base of New York. They're all growing and good for them, but the most elite cities are pretty much set in stone - New York, London, Tokyo. Cities like Austin and Charlotte are child's play compared to cities like this.
There are studies that rank cities and New York usually sweeps when they look into which cities are the most important in the world.
"There’s blood on the Street.
In a wild swing of the ax that has shocked many pundits, Wall Street’s biggest banks have slashed nearly 50,000 jobs, and bonuses and expense money are being cut as profit opportunities dry up."
"There’s blood on the Street.
In a wild swing of the ax that has shocked many pundits, Wall Street’s biggest banks have slashed nearly 50,000 jobs, and bonuses and expense money are being cut as profit opportunities dry up."
Maybe they can all get jobs as LI teachers and fire fighters? Oh, wait.
..except the vast majority of most "Wall Street jobs" aren't in NYC...which is why the Post said nothing specifically about NYC. Most of those jobs are probably in your beloved Charlotte and other second-tier cities which hold the bulk of "Wall Street" employment (mostly back office employment.
Only 30% of U.S. financial services jobs are located in NYC. And worldwide, it's tiny. NYC Wall Street jobs are mostly highly paid upper positions. In NYC, financial services employment actually grew during the last quarter of that "carnage" according to the official source of when it comes to employment -- the BLS.
It might annoy you but NYC is the global center of importance wealth and that will never change. It's fine you love living in a city of unimportance and blandness but not everyone does.
Last edited by James XV; 01-18-2015 at 06:24 PM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
