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Old 07-23-2021, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Newsday has been terrible with this subject. They have been pushing the 'these poor people in Hempstead having grieved, so let's double the taxes in neighboring RVC/GC since they did grief, that's fair!'


Maybe, just maybe someone should look into why are taxes are so GD high instead of trying to be 'fair' about paying them.
If you read the OP's article you would see that most of the successful challenges have gone to the wealthy neighborhoods like Great Neck and Manhasset. High end properties have escalated rapidly over the past year for many reasons, well beyond the 6% cap if you read my article. So middle and low end properties will bear the brunt of under assessed properties at the high end.

No idea where you get that RVC is being taxed unfairly and high taxes have nothing to do with the issue, it's assessment.
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Old 07-23-2021, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yep hysterics from newsday is part of what pushed curran to reassess as they claimed it was unfair to "poor" communities that didnt grieve as much (even though there was nothing stopping them from doing so whatsoever). Now it turns out the gambit didn't work and wealthier communities are still winning on appeal regardless, and she is now stuck with the bill like her predecessors, so Newsrag is having their predictable temper tantrum.
Blame Mangano's freeze on valuations, she allowed the freeze to remain in effect last year but now the bill is coming due. Yes many poor communities didn't challenge their assessments so the tax burden felll on them more proportionately, that is slowly changing.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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Blame Mangano's freeze on valuations, she allowed the freeze to remain in effect last year but now the bill is coming due. Yes many poor communities didn't challenge their assessments so the tax burden felll on them more proportionately, that is slowly changing.
I blame each and every politician and union negotiator that allowed, over many decades, our taxes to reach their present levels to begin with. At this point we're just splitting hairs.
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Old 07-23-2021, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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I blame each and every politician and union negotiator that allowed, over many decades, our taxes to reach their present levels to begin with. At this point we're just splitting hairs.
Exactly
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Old 07-24-2021, 06:36 AM
 
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I blame each and every politician and union negotiator that allowed, over many decades, our taxes to reach their present levels to begin with. At this point we're just splitting hairs.
Taxing/spending needs to be controlled, but what this issue really needs is politicians to acknowledge what the challenge really is: assessed home value, not taxes. That won't change until some outside entity forces it, like mortgage underwriters or home insurance companies to come in and say "OK Mr Smith, you challenged the County and made the case that your home is only worth $200,000. That's the value we're going with." If people have some outside standard as a reason to seek a real home value, the tax burden will shift appropriately.
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Old 07-24-2021, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Taxing/spending needs to be controlled, but what this issue really needs is politicians to acknowledge what the challenge really is: assessed home value, not taxes. That won't change until some outside entity forces it, like mortgage underwriters or home insurance companies to come in and say "OK Mr Smith, you challenged the County and made the case that your home is only worth $200,000. That's the value we're going with." If people have some outside standard as a reason to seek a real home value, the tax burden will shift appropriately.
That will never happen though for a litany of reasons.
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Old 07-24-2021, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Tierra del Encanto
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I blame each and every politician and union negotiator that allowed, over many decades, our taxes to reach their present levels to begin with. At this point we're just splitting hairs.
For once, I agree with you. This is a systemic problem, and shifting the burden around doesn't reduce the amount that has to be raised. It took decades of pols' indifference and neglect to get here.
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Old 07-24-2021, 09:54 AM
 
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That will never happen though for a litany of reasons.
The predominant one being that it would end the system of grievance firms making money off challenges and then funneling it back to the politicians to keep the system going
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Old 07-25-2021, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I blame each and every politician and union negotiator that allowed, over many decades, our taxes to reach their present levels to begin with. At this point we're just splitting hairs.
Purcell and Gullotta put the county in a terrible situation with the police contracts, all to win support of the police unions. It also generated a problem in Suffolk and villages with their police contracts since they used Nassau as an example in arbitration. Every negotiator from that time on was in an impossible situation, it was a no win.
Oversight and reduction in cost has improved from the 1970's and 80's disaster.

But none of this has to do with assessment.
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Old 07-25-2021, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Tierra del Encanto
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Purcell and Gullotta put the county in a terrible situation with the police contracts, all to win support of the police unions. It also generated a problem in Suffolk and villages with their police contracts since they used Nassau as an example in arbitration. Every negotiator from that time on was in an impossible situation, it was a no win.
Oversight and reduction in cost has improved from the 1970's and 80's disaster.

But none of this has to do with assessment.
Yes, exactly. This is how Nassau got its $300K+ police detectives. It's not always about blaming the ravenous LI schools.

Sometimes I read this forum to be reminded of why I got out of there. The average taxpayer has no control and can't fix it. Just Leave.
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