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Well one thing is for sure, LI needs more power, much more, if we're ever to accommodate an increased population and/or high tech industries. I've never agreed with the usefulness of wind farms here. This area, imo, is much better suited to applications that harness the tides for power. Be it tidal gates (though underwater erosion/gouging seems to be an unanticipated negative effect of the gates as seen in San Fransisco's use), or underwater generators/turbines.
I'm of the opinion that there's no one-size-fits-all. Each area of the country may well have a unique ideal 'green' power source. Maybe...
Wind Farms on the plains
Solar in the south & southwest
Tidal on the coasts
Geothermal in ??
If you folks had your way long island would have been wrecked 20 years ago!! with smoke stacks,subways,8 lane highways,toxic water,all so you have a short commute from a place you cant live anymore because of the same things you want!!! when L.I does become your dream metro world where would you escape and ruin next??why dont you just move or stay in the city if you love mass transit and pollution so much and hate to drive! I may be the only person with these views on this forum,but trust me on long island there are more of me than you...
If you folks had your way long island would have been wrecked 20 years ago!! with smoke stacks,subways,8 lane highways,toxic water,all so you have a short commute from a place you cant live anymore because of the same things you want!!! when L.I does become your dream metro world where would you escape and ruin next??why dont you just move or stay in the city if you love mass transit and pollution so much and hate to drive! I may be the only person with these views on this forum,but trust me on long island there are more of me than you...
I really see no need for hysterics. Unfortunately your views can be lost when you simply blast away at everyone who might disagree with your view. I share your view that further build up out east is not necessarily the answer. But ranting on about fiction such as 8 lane highways and implying that folks want subways and toxic water does little to support your side of the debate. I believe we should mildy expand certain services such as the bus systems and better schedule eastbound trains on our current infrastructure, with some necessary, but modest accommodations. Otherwise, bullet trains from Yaphank do little to stoke my interest. I simply do not see the workforce within that vicinity driving a large enough need for such transportation into the city. To put it sarcastically, is there a huge problem with investment bankers in Flanders clogging the LIE...???
I really see no need for hysterics. Unfortunately your views can be lost when you simply blast away at everyone who might disagree with your view. I share your view that further build up out east is not necessarily the answer. But ranting on about fiction such as 8 lane highways and implying that folks want subways and toxic water does little to support your side of the debate. I believe we should mildy expand certain services such as the bus systems and better schedule eastbound trains on our current infrastructure, with some necessary, but modest accommodations. Otherwise, bullet trains from Yaphank do little to stoke my interest. I simply do not see the workforce within that vicinity driving a large enough need for such transportation into the city. To put it sarcastically, is there a huge problem with investment bankers in Flanders clogging the LIE...???
o.k so some folks here hit a nerve,by implying nuclear power plants and high speed transit would be good for L.I.When my groups are pushing for more open space,less sprawl,more playing fields,parks,If it was up to us eastern suffolk would divorce n.y and become ''peconic state'' I know a pipe dream, but others dream of a suffolk city..so can we!We are no tree huggers we are just looking to preserve what we have, and have that right as tax payers more so then folks who think they have the right to get to a job 30 minutes earlier.WHo says we need to fix anything?and who is to say what is broke?we claim there is too much and they say there is too little..the voters will decide!
That's a pipe dream. Manhattan is the center of the world and the best paying jobs will be there. Why not make it easier for LI to be home to those that make the good money and have them spend there money here? With further development and the ability of higher wage earners to live in eastern suffolk comes the ability for those people to spend and the need for jobs out there. The fact is we are in a service economy and manufacuring/ industrial jobs aren't coming to LI anymore. But, we can get higher level service type jobs if those who live in suffolk can get to NYC and earn their high wages. I agree with the need for more condo development, but I don't agree with the need for rent stabilized or low income housing. The goal is to have housing for the responsible and gainfully employed and not housing for welfare recipients.
Rent stabilized or rent controlled does not mean welfare housing.
Where there is a large white collar population, there will always be a need for blue collar workers in service industries. If the garabage man, letter carrier, dry cleaner, deli owner, shoe repair man, pizza shop owner, cleaning lady, landscaper, can't afford to live here, where will the remaining population turn to for these services?
If housing goes up as a result of demand and higher wages, the blue collar folks will be priced off LI. This goes back to the balance I wrote of in an earlier post on this thread. I am not alone in this sentiment.
There needs to be affordable housing. No one wants to live in what they feel is a 'less desirable' area, and not everyone can afford the high end. Dman72 made a good point on an earlier thread when he stated that we won't see gentrification in areas such as Wyandanch as they don't have the proximity to NYC to make them hip and worthwhile. If we can't rehab such areas, where do we turn?
A number of other younger posters have made clear that it is difficult getting started on LI when you're saddled with college debt and are just getting a footing into one's career. We've all read threads about illegal apartments, poor and unsafe conditions.
If a college graduate had the option of living in a legal, affordable apartment as opposed to Mom's house -- where do we think would choose? What if some incentive were put into place -- instead of stabilized or controlled rent, a small portion of the rent was placed into an escrow account for the tenant? Give the landlord some sort of tax break, give the tenant a chance to build some savings and set them on their way to future home ownership?
If major companies see our ability to attract and retain young (read lower salaried entry level) employees, they might be more interested in staying here and growing on LI.
We have to get beyond the mindset that NYC is the center of the world. How many businesses left NYC after 9/11?
LI has to use it's proximity to NYC to it's advantage, but maintain itself as it's own region and entity. The world has become much smaller in the computer age. LI should use technology to give it an advantage.
I've been through 2 buyouts in companies I've worked for, where the new owners come from outside the tri-state area. The Finance and HR departments got the same reaction from the new owners "I can't believe how much people are getting paid here!! I clerk is making $45,000?? We pay $25,000 in Bumblerock Ohio!!"
This is Long Island folks. No one can afford to live here for $25,000.
That's a pipe dream. Manhattan is the center of the world and the best paying jobs will be there.
Actually, many companies prefer NOT to be in Manhattan. Cost wise, it doesn't stack up. Why should you pay for your back-office staff to be in pricey Manhattan real estate? Look at how many companies are located in the suburbs now--not just in the New York area but all over the US. If you need a lot of space for office operations, Manhattan is not where you want to do it. These may not be the flashy jobs, but they can be good ones. My husband is currently job-hunting and has seen quite a few positions in his field out on LI.
I really see no need for hysterics. Unfortunately your views can be lost when you simply blast away at everyone who might disagree with your view. I share your view that further build up out east is not necessarily the answer. But ranting on about fiction such as 8 lane highways and implying that folks want subways and toxic water does little to support your side of the debate. I believe we should mildy expand certain services such as the bus systems and better schedule eastbound trains on our current infrastructure, with some necessary, but modest accommodations. Otherwise, bullet trains from Yaphank do little to stoke my interest. I simply do not see the workforce within that vicinity driving a large enough need for such transportation into the city. To put it sarcastically, is there a huge problem with investment bankers in Flanders clogging the LIE...???
of course they don't because it's too horrendous of a commute. If you can make it a 30-40 minute trip though, you will bring some of these types out there. Right now they live in western and central nassau due to the commute. Many people (like myself) would purchase a house in eastern suffolk if the commute weren't a killer.
of course they don't because it's too horrendous of a commute. If you can make it a 30-40 minute trip though, you will bring some of these types out there. Right now they live in western and central nassau due to the commute. Many people (like myself) would purchase a house in eastern suffolk if the commute weren't a killer.
o.k so some folks here hit a nerve,by implying nuclear power plants and high speed transit would be good for L.I.When my groups are pushing for more open space,less sprawl,more playing fields,parks,If it was up to us eastern suffolk would divorce n.y and become ''peconic state'' I know a pipe dream, but others dream of a suffolk city..so can we!We are no tree huggers we are just looking to preserve what we have, and have that right as tax payers more so then folks who think they have the right to get to a job 30 minutes earlier.WHo says we need to fix anything?and who is to say what is broke?we claim there is too much and they say there is too little..the voters will decide!
Look if you feel that way about that area then buy up all the land and don't sell it to developers. You have that right. But when developers do buy up that land and start to build and the strain on the current LIRR system is too much to bear, people like you will be to blame.
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