L.A. Times: can Trump carry California? This deplorable white guy thinks so (Montclair: to buy, property taxes)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by beb0p

That's silly. Hillary Clinton has always been a moderate centrist. It's why Bernie is able attack her from the left.

There isn't going to be much of left tilting with Hillary appointing SC judges. There WILL be a drastic right-wing tilt if Trump is elected.
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She's not a moderate centrist....it's just that America is going further and further to the left. What was once considered socialism/communism 20 or 30 years ago is now considered natural, normal, and inevitable. That's the nature of centralizing power and control. It got going in earnest over 100 years ago with the beginning of the Federal Reserve Bank and has been like a snowball rolling downhill ever since.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

Actually fundamentalism, whether Christian or Muslim, is a threat to liberal democracy. You probably experience it only on the federal level (in a subdued form) when Republicans are in power, but I have to live with these extremists and the laws that they pass every day here in Texas.

It's not a good day when these fundamentalists are in charge of the federal government, along with the home-grown ones in the state and local levels. The Bush years were less horrible in California and very horrible in Texas. The Obama years, not as much in both states.

Liberal socialist ideology can be just as oppressive. Different mask on the same face. Like choosing between communist China/USSR and Saudi Arabia--I want none of the above.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaGal

I don't care about Bill Clinton and his philandering BUT I do care how Hillary Clinton went after the women, shamed them - made them out to be liars. Hillary has a lot of baggage. She comes across very charming but go back and read about her. I think you will find articles about her that are not flattering. I will NEVER vote for that woman after what she did regarding Benghazi and how she went after Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer FLowers and Juanita Brodderick...She has done nothing for women.

Hillary Clinton has a lot of baggage that never sees the light of day in mainstream media:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JSJ8Xh5RXU
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[l1995]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

She's not a moderate centrist....it's just that America is going further and further to the left. What was once considered socialism/communism 20 or 30 years ago is now considered natural, normal, and inevitable. That's the nature of centralizing power and control. It got going in earnest over 100 years ago with the beginning of the Federal Reserve Bank and has been like a snowball rolling downhill ever since.

How so? Tax rates on the rich were way higher in the 50s and 60s.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by l1995

How so? Tax rates on the rich were way higher in the 50s and 60s.

And there was much less income inequality...the Gini Coefficient for the USA was quite a bit lower circa the 50's/60's as compared to 2016.

[MItoBH]

The only thing worth adding to this discussion is that Hillary will win, it would be the death of our country, and extremely harmful to the entire world if Trump were to become POTUS. The man is a buffoon and highly unqualified, and devoid of compassionate humanity to be President. I truly feel sorry for those who want to vote for this man.

[V8 Vega]

Clinton is a criminal and serial liar, she lies as easily as we breath. An avowed Communist she will continue to change the US into a secular devoid of morals, extremely high taxes, basic freedom gone, the Constitution meaningless, the supreme court making laws, the supreme court extremely left wing and they use the supreme court to further they're agenda, and a more and more socialist country. Full Communism has always been the Democrats party ultimate goal and they're succeeding.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by l1995

How so? Tax rates on the rich were way higher in the 50s and 60s.

They dont remember how much this contributed to America being 'great'---now we're just 'greedy'.

[the_bass_player]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

The supreme court now makes laws, they're not suppose to but it has evolved that way. And the Democrats know they can use the supreme court to get what they want. Communist Clinton will appoint extreme left wing supreme court judges and the lower appeals courts too.
Churches will lose their tax exempt status and pastors who preach against the Communist Democrat party agenda will go to jail.

They probably won't come take your guns away just yet but they will make it near impossible and expensive and scary that you might go to jail if you own a gun and ammo.

I have traditionally voted Republican, but it's people like this that have pushed me into voting for Hillary. Trump is the one calling Putin a much stronger leader than Obama. If you know anything about communism, or at least despotic governments, you will know that actually it was Vladimir Putin who shut down the press, not president Obama. You will know that Vladimir Putin is shutting down all evangelical churches and any churches other than the Russian Orthodox church. It's the mayor of St Petersburg that has a big "Orthodoxy or die" flag behind his desk, not Clinton, let alone Obama.

Now, I do not believe that Trump is going to take away people's religious liberties; but your claims are pretty outlandish and it's more than worth noting that your pal Trump is the one who is cozying up to the real communist who is taking away people's right to religious assembly and freedom of speech.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

Clinton is a criminal and serial liar, she lies as easily as we breath.

Haha according to Polifact, Trump lies as easily as we breathe so yawns.

An avowed Communist she will continue to change the US into a secular devoid of morals

Haha dont be absurd. Donald Trump has the morals of a pimp and is a known shameless philanderer, who left his first wife to marry his mistress and then dumped his second wife for his current wife, he is a deceitful businessman, a probable tax evader, has filed for bankruptcy 6 times, he has no qualms about refusing to pay people for services rendered, etc, the list goes on and on.

Hillary Clinton is a devout Methodist( that's a Christian denomination btw) and that is a well known fact. She is all about helping others and has a 50 year record showing just that, Donald Trump is all about himself.

Honestly, how dare you make such a statement about her when he is FAR WORSE?

extremely high taxes, basic freedom gone, the Constitution meaningless, the supreme court making laws, the supreme court extremely left wing and they use the supreme court to further they're agenda, and a more and more socialist country. Full Communism has always been the Democrats party ultimate goal and they're succeeding.

This is right wing propaganda.

Donald Trump would be Putin's puppet.