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Old 02-27-2009, 05:09 PM
 
Location: LB/OC for now...
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In what ways did the casino in Commerce impact that city/area?
It makes up approx 37% of revenue for the city. That is definitely significant enough to positively impact any city. I'm sure at the time(1983) it greatly impacted revenue for the city, which can only help if managed correctly.

Source - Complete Commerce Budget 08/09 pg 4 (http://www.ci.commerce.ca.us/uploaded_files/2008-2009complete_budget.pdf - broken link)

For Hawaiian Gardens it makes up about 77%. That is, of course, a HUMONGOUS portion of their revenue. They also recently added a brand new Bingo Club as well, so that will further increase revenues.

Source - Hawaiian Gardens Budget Summary 08/09 various pgs
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Gentrified? I wonder how many people on this board even know the boundaries of south-central Los Angeles. To many, any part of L.A. they think is "ghetto" must be south central. Unless of course you are talking about East L.A.
Don't forget the Northeast San Fernando Valley (which I see no hope for other than North Hollywood)

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I have always thought there would eventually be a revitalization of south central. And no, not because of some City Hall engineered plan to revitalize the area. I am not sure those kinds of plans actually work.
There had been City Hall plans to revitalize central Hollywood for years - but they only worked once the community started revitalizing Hollywood for itself, particularly after central Hollywood had hit bottom in the mid '90s.

The City Hall plans to revitalize downtown took YEARS to actually work.

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I think it will eventally be revitalized simply because of its location.
Forgetting about 1992? That still figures large in the L.A. imagination. I think that'll keep people out of South Central.

Also, as you imply, South Central is a big place. The parts bordering downtown are right in the path of gentrification. The parts bordering the Westside may be, in the future (in fact the term "Culver City adjacent" is already popping up in ads for properties in Baldwin Vista and the Village Green complex- which despite the close proximity to the Jungle isn't a bad area, more middle class African-American - or the westernmost parts of West Adams) and the better parts of Inglewood may be in the future. However areas like Watts and Compton or really deep South Central aren't exactly centrally located. The infamous corner of Florence and Normandie is farther from downtown than Beverly Hills is (one reason why the term "inner city", invented in Chicago, doesn't really apply in most of L.A.)

Due to the current economy I don't see any expansion of gentrification. I think degentrification is a legit issue in certain areas where gentrification reached its earliest stages like Koreatown or Highland Park. If any more gentrification occurs it'll be in the least gentrified west side areas (e.g. Palms, Del Rey, parts of Mar Vista, SM's Pico Neighborhood) as those areas are already on the west side and either close or right next to nicer parts of town.

I don't see South Central revitalization from the community as being out of the question AT ALL, though - like on the order of what's happening in the Bronx right now. Not displacement by outsiders but making the hood better. All it takes is the necessary will and the desire to make things better and a few brave community organizers.

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Certain parts of south central will eventually become attractive. It will probably start out with young, single, educated folks looking to get established. People in this group are more nontraditional and willing to take risks. I am not saying there will be millionaires taking up residence on Exposition Avenue. I am just saying the day may be coming where it will make economic sense for a middle class Angeleno to live on Exposition Avenue. And if it makes economic sense everything else will adjust.
If this happens, than it'll probably be young, single, educated African-Americans leading the way like Harlem's gentrification in NYC. I believe that young educated blacks are already doing this in West Adams. But unlike in Harlem I think the memories of the riots are still too fresh.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:06 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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the casino does privide a good chunck of change. but so do the rest of the factories in commerce. commerce has a small populaiton. less than 15k im sure. because of that there exists more money to build aquatic centers, provide free bus service, extended library hours, etc etc. they have less people to worry about. kind of like vernon does.

the casino helps out alot. but commerce was never a bad place or one that needed gentrification, polishing etc.

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In what ways did the casino in Commerce impact that city/area?
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Old 03-10-2009, 12:04 PM
 
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Also, as you imply, South Central is a big place. The parts bordering downtown are right in the path of gentrification. The parts bordering the Westside may be, in the future (in fact the term "Culver City adjacent" is already popping up in ads for properties in Baldwin Vista and the Village Green complex- which despite the close proximity to the Jungle isn't a bad area, more middle class African-American - or the westernmost parts of West Adams) and the better parts of Inglewood may be in the future. However areas like Watts and Compton or really deep South Central aren't exactly centrally located. The infamous corner of Florence and Normandie is farther from downtown than Beverly Hills is (one reason why the term "inner city", invented in Chicago, doesn't really apply in most of L.A.)
Indeed. Baldwin Vista is a gem of sorts, with really big homes nestled in winding hills, commanding grand views of the city. However, based on my experiences (my aunt lives there) not many non-blacks know about the place, and its often viewed with disdain by most of my white friends (south of the 10 stigma?). Its a real shame that the real estate agents feel the need to associate it with Culver City....especially since the Culver City that it is closest to (industrial areas) isn't really synonomous with the trendy, hip Downtown area. And even then, the bulk of Culver City is nothing like that area.

And you're right..In this day and age, I do expect (and have seen) a few people give previously "off-limits" neighborhoods a new chance; specifically, as you said the Northern fringe of Inglewood (closest to Ladera) and West Adams, but also Arlington and Jefferson Park.

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Due to the current economy I don't see any expansion of gentrification. I think degentrification is a legit issue in certain areas where gentrification reached its earliest stages like Koreatown or Highland Park. If any more gentrification occurs it'll be in the least gentrified west side areas (e.g. Palms, Del Rey, parts of Mar Vista, SM's Pico Neighborhood) as those areas are already on the west side and either close or right next to nicer parts of town.
Oh, definitely. The aforementioned "ghettos" of the Westside are ripe for gentrification, along with parts of Venice and Sawtelle. The area between Bundy/Sawtelle and Olympic/Wilshire has EXPLODED as of late, with (literally) new condos on every block.

OTOH, I still don't know why "urban pioneers" insisted on pushing east into borderline far nabes with no real appeal or significance. Instead of going for fringe nabes like say..Lincoln Park, Highland Park, Cypress Park, etc way out there, when they could've found a cheaper,more centrally located place, just south of the 10, in a charming neighborhood not overrun by mexican gangs to boot. Maybe they don't want to be around blacks?

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If this happens, than it'll probably be young, single, educated African-Americans leading the way like Harlem's gentrification in NYC. I believe that young educated blacks are already doing this in West Adams. But unlike in Harlem I think the memories of the riots are still too fresh.
Yep. I've already seen it in its infancy in Jefferson Park, Arlington Park and Leimert Park. I'm glad these Blacks, like many others, aren't ditching the city, and instead are investing into previously blighted places and spurring organic growth and brighter futures.

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Old 03-10-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Polish and revitalize. Force people to get past the notion that South Central is nothing but a gang infested cesspool . Forget gentrification, just elevate/revitalize the area to a point where you can mention it casually in conversation without getting a horrified reaction from someone.

All this, of course, is much easier said than done. Even revitalization (not gentrification) would require serious time, money and work.
Don't think it will ever happen, even in the 40s this area was one, if not, the least disirable place in So Calif..Of let's put it this way, the most crime ridden and the lowest income community.

I am not thinking of the areas around parts of Inglewood, Baldwin Heights, I am thinking of what used to come to mind when someone mentioned So Central Los Angeles, and further East..

Nita
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:42 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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It will never happen. South Central is just too beat up by gangs (Mexican and Black). Solve the gang and illegal immigrant/anchor baby problem and I guarantee that gentrification will start.

I think most business avoid south central because of the crime factor. Get rid of the gang/crime problem then you'll see a return of large super markets, sit down restaurants and special/novelty stores. You may even see some Starbucks popping up here and there.

Heck, I would love to open up a boxing gym or martial arts school at one of those old buildings on Vermont north of Manchester or even on Broadway south of Manchester (of those buildings werent all burned down by the idiots in the riots).
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Sawtelle District
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I used to live off of Adams and Fairfax, just south of the 10 freeway (near the Fairfax on/off-ramp). My friends and I (three whites and one Indian) rented a beautiful three bedroom house just off Adams in a really distinct neighborhood. The people behind us were white, next door neighbor was from England and the other family next-door was an elderly black couple. The two places across the street were rented by a Hispanic family. I consider it one of the best places I lived in. The neighborhood was very family oriented, we had good relationships with our neighbors, and never felt out of place. Some people need to get over the stigma that surrounds some of these areas. Though, I admit, there was some gang presence going east on Adams, mostly 18th Street graffiti.
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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I used to live off of Adams and Fairfax, just south of the 10 freeway (near the Fairfax on/off-ramp). My friends and I (three whites and one Indian) rented a beautiful three bedroom house just off Adams in a really distinct neighborhood. The people behind us were white, next door neighbor was from England and the other family next-door was an elderly black couple. The two places across the street were rented by a Hispanic family. I consider it one of the best places I lived in. The neighborhood was very family oriented, we had good relationships with our neighbors, and never felt out of place. Some people need to get over the stigma that surrounds some of these areas. Though, I admit, there was some gang presence going east on Adams, mostly 18th Street graffiti.
That location is very very far and a world away from where the OP is talking about. Im thinking as far south as El Segundo Blvd, East to San Pedro street, West to Western and north to Martin Luther King Blvd. THAT IS more of what Im talking about.
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I used to live off of Adams and Fairfax, just south of the 10 freeway (near the Fairfax on/off-ramp). My friends and I (three whites and one Indian) rented a beautiful three bedroom house just off Adams in a really distinct neighborhood. The people behind us were white, next door neighbor was from England and the other family next-door was an elderly black couple. The two places across the street were rented by a Hispanic family. I consider it one of the best places I lived in. The neighborhood was very family oriented, we had good relationships with our neighbors, and never felt out of place. Some people need to get over the stigma that surrounds some of these areas. Though, I admit, there was some gang presence going east on Adams, mostly 18th Street graffiti.
I hardly think that area would be considered Watts, Compton or So Central L.A.

Nita
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Sawtelle District
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There was talk earlier of listings talking about areas being Culver City adjacent, which was the case with my place. I was just adding on to that post.
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