11-18-2007, 04:09 PM
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Thanks to all who have responded to my post about West Michigan so far. Very helpful and knowledgeable information. If there is anyone else with insight please respond.
As far as different nationalities in each community, doesn't matter to me. I am 6 different nationalities. I am part Dutch, Sweetish, German, French, Irish and Portuguese. I am not prejudice.
I have previously lived in Florida and I find Michigan to have similar Beaches along Lake Michigan with no threats of shark attaches and jellyfish stings. It's nice to walk in the water in Michigan lake and not step on a crab or stingray. I am currently living in Arizona . I am tired of the scorching heat and want to live where there is 4 seasons and nice friendly people. I have no problem living where there is snow in the winter. I have previously lived in Colorado , Washington State and Indiana where it snows in the winter months.
I love Music, concerts, boating, jet skiing, cross country skiing, shopping, Farmers Markets, etc. I would like to try snow snurfing sometime, it looks like a lot of fun.
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11-19-2007, 06:27 AM
Location: East Grand Rapids, MI
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I lived in Kalamazoo for 10 years. It's a highly
under rated community. Aside from having a nice downtown and a big Division-1 university in town, it has Kalamazoo College (a selective liberal arts school), the Kalamazoo Promise (free college tuition for any kid who goes to the public schools), great old city neighborhoods and even a minor league hockey team for those long winter nights.
I moved out of Kalamazoo and landed in East Grand Rapids a few years ago. It's a wonderful community and we're not planning on leaving now that we're here. We looked all over the G.R. metro area trying to find a tiny town with great homes, schools and a central location with a short commute. For us EGR fit that bill perfectly. We haven't lived here long enough to have that "it's our home" feeling we got in Kalamazoo, but so far at least it's even better for us than Kalamazoo was!
11-19-2007, 08:23 AM
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Being close to water, friendly people, seasons..hmm. That's a tough one. Small town I'd go with Richland Michigan, your next to or on Gull Lake one of the nicest lakes in the US. Richland also has very low crime and access to the Gull Lake public schools, one of the better academic places in the state. Larger city I would go Grand Rapids, downtown is pretty cool. Most conservative city of it's size I have been to though, for better or worse...
Kalamazoo would be my last choice, as they have a decent music scene (hippy scene) couple colleges, plenty of artsy things going on, and about 45 minutes from lake Michigan. I don't think you would dislike your decision if you were to try any of the 3.
11-19-2007, 08:59 AM
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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and even a minor league hockey team for those long winter nights.
I forgot about the K-Wings! Great way to spend an evening. We were always able to get really good seats (I'm talking rinkside) for a very decent price. If you have a sweetie, go on Valentine's Day ... they play on pink ice.
11-19-2007, 09:06 AM
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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I love Music, concerts, boating, jet skiing, cross country skiing, shopping, Farmers Markets, etc. I would like to try snow snurfing sometime, it looks like a lot of fun.[/font][/color]
You could probably do some snowboarding at Swiss Valley, a nice little ski resort down around Jones, Michigan -- south of Kalamazoo, in the Three Rivers area.
The mods can feel free to scratch the rest of this if they find it's too off-topic, but since you mentioned farmer's markets, I thought I'd let you know that South Bend has a HUGE one. Open every weekend, year round, indoors, and better than anything we've even found out here in the DC area. So you can get a good farmer's market
and do your kayaking down there (on the East Race I mentioned in an earlier post).
And again, it's just across the state line!
11-21-2007, 08:14 AM
Location: West Michigan
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Thanks to all who have responded to my post about West Michigan so far. Very helpful and knowledgeable information. If there is anyone else with insight please respond.
As far as different nationalities in each community, doesn't matter to me. I am 6 different nationalities. I am part Dutch, Sweetish, German, French, Irish and Portuguese. I am not prejudice.
I have previously lived in Florida and I find Michigan to have similar Beaches along Lake Michigan with no threats of shark attaches and jellyfish stings. It's nice to walk in the water in Michigan lake and not step on a crab or stingray. I am currently living in Arizona . I am tired of the scorching heat and want to live where there is 4 seasons and nice friendly people. I have no problem living where there is snow in the winter. I have previously lived in Colorado , Washington State and Indiana where it snows in the winter months.
I love Music, concerts, boating, jet skiing, cross country skiing, shopping, Farmers Markets, etc. I would like to try snow snurfing sometime, it looks like a lot of fun.
I live in the Holland/Zeeland Area and have my entire life. West Michigan arguably has the most beautiful beaches in the world. We get the opitamy of all four seasons. Summers can be very hot and humid, (all though not long), springs bery pretty, fall colors that can compete with Vermont, lots of snow and mostly grey sky's in the winter.
Holland and Zeeland are very conservative and have a Duth influence, all though Holland is trying to change that by being more divers. Do not let the gang violence that some are talking about scare you. It is very spiratic, and very centralized to only a couple of areas in Holland. And there really is not much activity, and it will be nipped in the bud very quickly. The reason some make it a big deal is because we really do live in a utopia as far as not having much major crimes, so when the police report a spike in gang activity, some residents fear "the sky is falling".
Taxes are not high here, I don't know who said that erlier. They are very low. I pay a total of $2200 for living ina home valued at $150,000 in the city. My parents pay $1600 for living in a $165000 home in the township. If you research some homes in that price range online you will see I am talking about very nice 2000 sq. ft. homes that you would pay $300,000 for in a Chicago suburbs with $5000 taxes. (I know, that's where my grand parents live).
There is a saying that Holland and Zeeland have "a church on every corner". It is a very christian religious area. Some things are still closed on Sunday's, and the entire county that Holland and Zeeland are in does not sell beer or wine on Sunday, (although you can buy alcohol... go figure).
It is a very family friendly area, so if a "night life" with clubs and such is you gig, you will not find it here. Grand Rapids has that sort of thing if you like it.
I see people kayaking the Holland channel and head into lake Michigan, and other rivers in the area.
I truly believe that Holland or Park Township (which is the township on Lake Michigan next to Holland), would be a great fit for you. Park Township has a low millage rate of 3.6, and is a more wealthy area. So you can have a banging home with low taxes, and close to the water and beaches.
11-21-2007, 12:19 PM
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I'd check out the holland thread for a more diverse look at feelings on the area IMTM, if you haven't already.
01-27-2008, 12:45 AM
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Next summer 2008 I will be touring West Michigan areas of Zeeland , Holland , Kalamazoo , Portage , Battle Creek , Grand Rapids and Muskegon for vacation fun and to check out where I might want to relocate to in the near future. What's the weather like? Where are the best places to kayak at? What is the employment situation like in these areas? Will there be new industries opening in these areas in the near future? What is the music culture like in these areas? I have collected a variety of brochures and magazines with information about these areas. I just wanted to hear what any of you who live in these areas can tell me about your community in these areas of interest.
Lived here 4ever (Zeeland). GR8 area! I would suggest
saugatuck or Grand Haven for your needs. These are 2 places that avoid major "publicity" but offer more than can be expected from other lake shore communities they have it all "so to speak". winter= dead/relaxed, spring=here we go starting to get really fun, summer= ??? great times everybody is in summer mood unexplainable have to live it to appreciate it! Fall= still there just getting ready to hit winter it's beautiful with all the fall color. Saugatuck is your culture destination in summer...check it out while your here. I would say its a must research, relocating as you are(april 1-sept31). Marros resturaunt downtown or Butler are both excellent! Hot summer dayz "GRAND HAVEN"!!!! 4 sure
01-27-2008, 01:02 AM
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got lost. G.h. is summer in MI. If you live in Grand Rapids you are going to Grand Haven, if not your secret isn't safe (your in saugy). Its the place to be! Quick to G.R. beaches boats bodies babes & business! Gr8 place! All resturaunts= gr8! Those 2...thats where I'd live if I were to relocate to W.Mi. Much better options than I've read on this return! Do yourself a favor and check them out before Kalamazoo or muskegon you'll find all "THEY" have to offer and much more! Garuantee it! maybe south haven too. Up North... another deal.
01-27-2008, 06:30 PM
Location: East Grand Rapids, MI
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What kind of kayaking?
For sea kayaking you're going to need to head to Lake Michigan. Live close to that and you're fine.
There is no real whitewater kayaking in Michigan, but you probably already figured that out.
If you just like tooling around and fishing, there's really nothing wrong with any of the communities you listed.
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People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)