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A NAC is standard operating procedure for every office in the state. If you're a criminal- you aren't getting a permit, period.
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Probably should clarify that.
Without fingerprints, a background check isn't going to be possible except on a social which can easily be faked. Are you saying every town does a III on every permit issued? I've heard otherwise.
Probably because the NH law doesn't mandate a background checks to issue the permit. That is why many states do not accept the permit.
I don't know how you came by that bit of info, but NH does do a back ground check. I moved and had to re-new my permit which is a lic here.
The chief asked me what it was on my record, waving the papers in my face not exactly letting me read the papers, and I asked if I might.
I do have a criminal record for getting framed, and not a conviction, and it would cost 500 bucks or more to have it expunged. When found Innocent there is still a record. The system sucks.
I have a lot mote than one gun and each time I buy any new to me gun I still must pass NICS.. As if that makes any sence.
Why I am even finger printed once for the arrest and once to work in a gun store as a clerk to sell and buy guns in the store. A back ground check is done then too.
It doesn't count, but twice I had to be checked for working with DARE.
I am of the mind that in the pc world one day there will be Govt workers class, and everyone else with be elite or criminal.
BTW The cop that framed me is doing hard time for 512 counts of childmolestation. It makes me wonder how many other people he abused in a court of law. In court I asked the judge to swear this actting as DA cop in too, and the judge asked me why, and my reply was I knew the cop to be a liar. The Judge said "Fair enough' and made the cop swear in, but he still lied. Karma has a way to deal with abuses like this.
Without fingerprints, a background check isn't going to be possible except on a social which can easily be faked.
Of course faking fingerprints (or just having them change by virtue of an accident, etc) is also a possibility. That's why DNA is considered a much better indicator and will hold up better in court. Of course even DNA (in particular the faster/cheaper tests) has errors...etc...etc
But all of that is irrelevant giving one simple fact:
-99% of individuals who are going to carry a concealed firearm to use for illegal purposes aren't going to even care about the law. They will simply stuff it down their pants and no-one will know the wiser. Likewise they will probably buy a stolen gun from one of their thug buddies to begin with.
One of the real issues with gun control laws is that we, as law-abiding citizens, tend to look at them from the perspective of ourselves...who follow the law. The problem is that criminals completely ignore the law.
I do not bother to carry a gun in most of the places I travel. When I worked a job the required me to visit the mill district in a neighboring city any time of day or night I was armed. I was not licensed by any government. I would prefer to explain why I did not have a license than be talking with a coroner. I have a duty to protect my fellow citizens, my family and myself from violent assault and I will continue to do this with whatever weapons I think necessary.
I am politically liberal and economically socialist but on the topic of firearms and the underlying right and duty to defend myself, I adamantly support the right of free people to be armed.
Of course faking fingerprints (or just having them change by virtue of an accident, etc) is also a possibility
I don't know where you came by that, but it's BS. I've been fingerprinting for years and rarely are the prints unreadable. The scan will take areas from undisturbed prints. Unless a body is totally cremated, prints are available.
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waving the papers in my face
The requirements for obtaining a check of the NH database is totally differnt than a III check. One can obtain their own if they so desire but fingerprinting in Concord is required.
NH does not run total background checks. The fact that the permits can be issued by a non-LE official is one of the problems. A check can be run on a SS number but it isn't acceptable for many uses, FA permits for one. A NIC's check is needed to satisfy the requirement of the Lautenburg Act involving DV's for the most part. In many states the CCP is an acceptable substitute. NH is not one of the states.
Commenting that a criminal would not get a permit isn't the point. The question is about reciprocity with other states and that is a big part of the reasoning.
...I have a duty to protect my fellow citizens....
I strongly suggest you take a class on concealed carry and the use of deadly force. Your belief that you "Have a duty to protect" is unfounded as NH RSA 627:4 Physical Force in Defense of a Person II. states;
A person is justified in using deadly force upon another person when he reasonably believes that such other person:
(a) Is about to use unlawful, deadly force against the actor or a third person;
(b) Is likely to use any unlawful force against a person present while committing or attempting to commit a burglary;
(c) Is committing or about to commit kidnapping or a forcible sex offense; or
(d) Is likely to use any unlawful force in the commission of a felony against the actor within such actor's dwelling or its curtilage.
There is a big difference in "being justified" and "having a duty" (moral obligations aside) as you are not a police officer.
Your cavalier attitude on the responsible use of firearms is exactly why gun-grabbing liberals cite concerns of "vigilante justice" whenever the Second Ammendment is mentioned.
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NH does not run total background checks. The fact that the permits can be issued by a non-LE official is one of the problems. A check can be run on a SS number but it isn't acceptable for many uses, FA permits for one. A NIC's check is needed to satisfy the requirement of the Lautenburg Act involving DV's for the most part. In many states the CCP is an acceptable substitute. NH is not one of the states.
I don't know where you came by that, but it's BS. I've been fingerprinting for years and rarely are the prints unreadable. The scan will take areas from undisturbed prints. Unless a body is totally cremated, prints are available.
The requirements for obtaining a check of the NH database is totally differnt than a III check. One can obtain their own if they so desire but fingerprinting in Concord is required.
NH does not run total background checks. The fact that the permits can be issued by a non-LE official is one of the problems. A check can be run on a SS number but it isn't acceptable for many uses, FA permits for one. A NIC's check is needed to satisfy the requirement of the Lautenburg Act involving DV's for the most part. In many states the CCP is an acceptable substitute. NH is not one of the states.
Commenting that a criminal would not get a permit isn't the point. The question is about reciprocity with other states and that is a big part of the reasoning.
So far as I know the town chief has to be the one to do the NICS check and it takes around 10 days. I am un-aware of anyone else being able to get one a re-newed permit.
Sorry DV - Domestic violence
CCP Concealed Carry Permit
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town chief has to be the one to do the NICS check
In some small towns, there is no Chief. In fact there isn't a department. LE is handled by the County or State. In that case, they have no ability to access any CJIS linked systems. What the Secectman does to obtain a background check is up to anyone's guess.
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[/SIZE]Towns are not permitted entry into the NIC's system. Only FFL's. while it would be an outstanding way to verify suitability to issue and it is a time saver, recently a lawyer filed suit to stop such use as it was outside allowable use.
Sorry DV - Domestic violence
CCP Concealed Carry Permit
Thanks, that clears things up for me.
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