Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 01-20-2014, 06:32 PM
 
11,337 posts, read 11,048,990 times
Reputation: 14993

Advertisements

I think we've seen enough to know that trusting your old age to governments and unions and 3rd parties does not work. Now are we going to get a brain and realize that the solution is for individuals to take back 100% control of their savings and retirements? Or are we going to be retarded lemmings who ask for additional programs to "improve" the programs that already failed, like those before them, and before them, and before them.

Get a brain folks, and see the only rational solution. Eliminate employer pensions, eliminate social security and eliminate government confiscation of private retirement wealth.

All social security withholdings should be under individual control where we can invest our own money (which we own by the way) as we see fit: in stocks, bonds, and legitimate investment vehicles of our own choosing. Nobody cares about you more than yourself. The collective does not, and cannot, ever give a damn whether you live well or die well.

Principles of investment and philosophy should be REQUIRED in formal education like arithmetic and english. Nobody should escape high school without a working knowledge of capitalism, investment, and the philosophy of rational self-interest, including the perils of ignoring your self-interest.

After that, we should retain control of 100% of our retirement funds. It should not be left to the crooks, scammers, and retards that choose to chase political power. Ever.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-20-2014, 07:27 PM
 
3,984 posts, read 7,079,510 times
Reputation: 2889
...then 2008 happens.

"Why did the gov't let me invest 100% of my old Social Security money in Lehman stock?"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: southern california
61,288 posts, read 87,457,092 times
Reputation: 55564
civil service is making promises that they cant keep.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 07:41 PM
 
11,337 posts, read 11,048,990 times
Reputation: 14993
Quote:
Originally Posted by EBWick View Post
...then 2008 happens.

"Why did the gov't let me invest 100% of my old Social Security money in Lehman stock?"
Read further. Graduates of my high school curriculum would be versed in capitalist philosophy and investing principles. The dumbest of them would never invest 100% of their funds in any one stock, or even any 20 stocks. They would be diversified, and 2008 could happen, and would happen, several times. The final result would nevertheless be fantastic individual wealth to make retirement years a time when everyone could indeed retire if that is what they wanted.

In any case, better that than what we have now: NOTHING! A ponzi scheme where all those untold trillions of social security were repurposed and squandered on vast collectivist s-holes. Leaving a bankrupt system with too many old people and not enough new "investors" for Obamadoff to steal from.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: NJ
31,771 posts, read 40,721,342 times
Reputation: 24590
Quote:
Originally Posted by EBWick View Post
...then 2008 happens.

"Why did the gov't let me invest 100% of my old Social Security money in Lehman stock?"
do you think that including a phony unrealistic scenario helps bolster your position? who would put 100% of their social security money in lehman stock? retirement money would be in funds, not individual stocks. the 2008 issue is a 40% loss for people fully in the stock market. that's the position I think is appropriate for you to use. my mother lost about 20% and she was traumatized by it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 08:17 PM
 
11,337 posts, read 11,048,990 times
Reputation: 14993
Quote:
Originally Posted by EBWick View Post
...then 2008 happens.

"Why did the gov't let me invest 100% of my old Social Security money in Lehman stock?"
I didn't even address the implicit collectivist assumption. In what hellacious Cuba-sewer country would my government be in any position to "LET" me invest MY money? I earned it, I own it, I'll invest it as I see fit.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: NJ
31,771 posts, read 40,721,342 times
Reputation: 24590
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
I didn't even address the implicit collectivist assumption. In what hellacious Cuba-sewer country would my government be in any position to "LET" me invest MY money? I earned it, I own it, I'll invest it as I see fit.
considering the government just takes it and buys treasuries with it today (well, now it just goes right out the door to recipients but in the past it was treasuries) I would consider a step up if they would let people control their own private accounts but there would be some limits on investments (like no individual stocks or if there were individual stocks some kind of diversification requirement).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 08:52 PM
 
11,337 posts, read 11,048,990 times
Reputation: 14993
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainNJ View Post
considering the government just takes it and buys treasuries with it today (well, now it just goes right out the door to recipients but in the past it was treasuries) I would consider a step up if they would let people control their own private accounts but there would be some limits on investments (like no individual stocks or if there were individual stocks some kind of diversification requirement).
As an intermediate step to total freedom, I would be fine with a trial period of 20-30 years where the social security money was withheld from your paycheck and you were allowed to invest it exclusively for your own retirement. I'd even be fine if they didn't allow investments in high risk vehicles such as commodities or real estate. Or even a requirement that the retirement plan be determined to be sound and administered by a trustee, perhaps a CPA. I'm willing to do this because the typical American has had no training in economics and investments and would be lost if they were assigned tomorrow to invest their retirement money wisely. However, I would insist that our primary education system be amended with mandatory curriculum so that every high school graduate would be forced to take and pass courses in investment, retirement planning, and personal fiscal planning and responsibility.

Under this plan, even the lowliest dumbest Walmart career greeter would accumulate more than enough to live comfortably past the age of 65. And the power lusting politicians would have that much less largesse to flush down their altruist-collectivist sewer system.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2014, 09:25 PM
 
12,883 posts, read 14,001,616 times
Reputation: 18452
Quote:
Originally Posted by EBWick View Post
I'm askin the questions here, lady.

Assume you're a Yahoo shareholder. The COO there worked 14 months, is being let go and may collect up to $60M in severance. Would that anger you or is it just the "wonders of capitalism"?

Golden parachute for fired Yahoo executive may be record breaker - Jan. 17, 2014
Well, does my tax money go towards this? If so, yes. If not, no.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-21-2014, 07:14 AM
 
Location: NJ
31,771 posts, read 40,721,342 times
Reputation: 24590
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
However, I would insist that our primary education system be amended with mandatory curriculum so that every high school graduate would be forced to take and pass courses in investment, retirement planning, and personal fiscal planning and responsibility. .
this is so needed. i remember i suggested this a while back and i believe tahiti was kind enough to point out that there is a household economics class as part of the curriculum but i skimmed the topics and it was totally inadequate for what i considered to be the most important aspects of finance. people need to know how to save and invest their money.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:



Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top