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Sobroguy, you keep saying Woodlawn is 99% white, which is untrue. Here is a link to the census; it dates to 2009, so unless all those hispanics and blacks were moved out you will see there is a good portion of colored in Woodlawn. The zip is 10470 incase your wondering. It shows on there that there are areas of Woodlawn with 20% hispanic 17% hispanic 10% black. Mapping America ? Census Bureau 2005-9 American Community Survey - NYTimes.com
That census is somewhat inaccurate. If you look at the offical 2010 census, you'll see that all the census tracts are around 80-90% white in that neighborhood. Even that on 71% white census tract is actually around 85% or so.
I really think the reason that Sobro dislikes and finds fault with Woodlawn is because it is a living and functioning artifact of a vital Irish/White community that used to resemble much of the Bronx before the sociological destruction of the 1960s caused large sections of the Bronx to go under. The Liberal/Socialist agenda and their pandering politicans who bet their electability on providing a welfare state to the loowest common deminator to ensure they would stay in power are responsible for the Bronx being the POORIST Congressional District in all of the USA today! Imagine how the Bronx would look today if this did not happen? Yes, there would be less people of color, but the borough would not be constantly broke and crime would be much less--and of course, much more appealing to private industry to invest. Woodlawn should be the NORM, not the sad exception in the Bronx.
Couldnt agree with you any more!
And about the census, whether its 85% white or not, there are people of color living there. Sobro makes it seem like if a person of color walks through they're gonna be burned at the stake! The other sort of racism would be at nighttime by the bars, getting heckled by drunk people. But tell me if you walk through eny brownsville, inwood, the blacks and hispanics arent gonna say something to you? Its racism if a white person does it, but if blacks/hispanics do it its considered their culture. Give me a break
I have to agree mostly. However, and I am sure you agree, you have to take people one at a time in general. I have black friends, lation friends, asian friends, etc. I choose them because they are good people. My best friend is a black guy-not because he is black, but because Dez is one of the most decent guys I have been privilaged to know. Woodlawn is still lovely because the character is intact and mostly Irish. I know many Irish people who marry outside the 'clan' and that includes people of color. Woodlawn is CIVIL. That is why its a great place to live in the Bronx. Lets hope it stays that way and does not become like Mott Haven. Liberals want to keep giving the people bread and circuses, because they will stay in office. But the BILL will come due..... Think how much better NYC's budget would be if the Bronx were more like Woodlawn and less like Mott Haven? Woodlawn pays for itself...Mott Haven sucks away tax dollars.
hard working people who care about the neighborhood they live in are the types of people i like to live around. You can be an alien for all i care, respect your neighborhood.
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Originally Posted by NYJets99
hard working people who care about the neighborhood they live in are the types of people i like to live around. You can be an alien for all i care, respect your neighborhood.
God, Sobroguy is the most unhappiest black man I've ever met! Lol you keep bangin the victim drum hard bro you do a great job at it!! It's so sad that you bit** and moan about everything!! No one sympathizes with you and you just look foolish! Jews had it 1000x worse than blacks and yet they are a successful culture and don't shoot innocent children and sell drugs!
The Jews in the USA DID NOT have it worse than did the descendants of African slaves in the USA.
We are talking about the USA. Jews fled to the USA to escape oppression in Europe. While they certainly faced discrimination and abuse, as did other European groups, including the Irish, it flies in the face of reality to claim that their lives in the USA were harder than it was for the descendants of African slaves.
African Americans faced oppression in the USA, and indeed some fled to Europe to escape it.
Did Jews in 1850 living in NYC have to face the probability of being kidnapped into slavery, even if they were freed men BORN outside of a southern plantation? NO! And we can go on with other examples.
Read up on your European history and then get back to me. There have been holocausts, ethnic cleansings, starvation, enslavement, etc, going back centuries. Instead of holding grudges against the English who were starving my
Yes and those who suffered fled to the USA and their lives were better. Not good, but better than back home, and certainly better than it was for the blacks and the Native Americans who gthey met.
In fact so good that the Irish and other European immigrants in the 1860s actually felt MORE entitled to certain occupations, dspite their recent arrival, than they felt that blacks ought to be despite the fact that almost all blacks living in the USA then had descended from people who had arrived almost a century before.
These refugees escaped the bottom of the society in their homelands, but encounted another group and made sure that they joined in oppressing them. Note the riots in NYC in the 1860s when blacks were killed and driven out of many NYC neighborhoods by RECENT Irish arrivals. Because the Irish felt that the blacks were a potential competitor in the job market.
1800's were two centuries ago. Blacks in the US have been freemen for 150 out of 236 years.
down?
Why not change your tune and say they have been genuinely free since 1970. Jim Crow de jure in the South and de facto in the North was a real factor before that. There is a reason why there has been significant growth of the black middle class since then.
Or did you not hear of the differential treatment between the white and black GIs after wwII IN THE NORTH, Levittown town, mortgage redlining, open discrimination by the Federal govt until the late 50s, etc.
To say that blacks had equal access to opportunities compared to European immigrants prior to the 1960s is total nonsense.
hard working people who care about the neighborhood they live in are the types of people i like to live around. You can be an alien for all i care, respect your neighborhood.
BRAVO!!!.....BRAVO!!! A standing ovation for NYJets on that comment. Simple and straight to the point! It's NOT about skin color, it's about respecting your neighborhood and conducting yourself in a civilized manner.
Sounds easy enough but "hood" people can't seem to grasp that concept so they throw out the RACE CARD as a defense mechanism. FOH!!!!
Back in the 60's when the Bronx began to decline, if the Woodlawn "policy" were applied to the rest of the Bronx, by keeping unruly second class citizens out of their neighborhood in order to preserve it, the Bronx would have never "burned" and turned into such a ghetto it is today.
Sometimes drastic measures are required to keep the "undesirables" out of the community. And this is a justifiable perfect example. Props to Woodlawn for keeping the "hood" out of your community. Other Bronx communities need to follow suit and cleanse their neighborhood from the "hood" element!
Read up on your European history and then get back to me. There have been holocausts, ethnic cleansings, starvation, enslavement, etc, going back centuries. Instead of holding grudges against the English who were starving my Catholic forebear in Ireland; instead of hating the Spanish who beat my ancestors into Catholicism, I look ahead as opposed to miring myself in the past.
Blacks in the US haven't been 'enslaved' in 2 centuries. Many of them have come here from other countries as refugees (think Somalis) or fleeing natural disasters (Haiti ring a bell?) Trying to drag up past history as a blanket excuse for a race will only serve to drag it back down.
The entire post is probably one of the best comments on the entire thread... The funny thing about sobro is that he claims to be the most open person on the planet and he continues to be an apologist for the black race (he's puerto rican btw), and yet he doesn't hesitate to use examples like "if you don't hang out with taiquanesha and the homies at 2am in the projects drinking 40s, you'll be fine in any neighborhood in this city..." His posts scream double-standard and indirectly do more damage than good to a culture that is bent on blaming past events for its failures...
The phrase is "those who ignore history and doomed to repeat it"... That is the most important and vital thing we can do and that we actually do. The horrible atrocities that were committed by this country to the black race aren't ignored, we discuss them and talk about how far we've come as a society... However, things are not what they used to be... Using that card for teenagers or even people in their 20s who never experienced genuine outright racism is ridiculous and only holds those that use that card back... People regardless of color need to be responsible and held accountable for their actions... Until that happens, this pattern of black/hispanic youth blaming the man for their problems will only continue and you'll hear people like sobro (as well as the new transient population who become apologists only until they are personally affected by what they defend) say how they're being held down while secretly craving the day when this city becomes "cleansed" of all the undesirables...
The hipocrisy of people on this cite and in this city sometimes really is enough to make you barf...
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Not funny but true
Exactly, be the kind of Neighbor you would like to have!
