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Exactly, protesting in tents in a park will not do anything. The government is corrupt; furthermore, the human heart is corrupt. We live in a world where money, possession and life experience are everything. If you play the game monopoly with some friends you can experience what is happening in the world.
If you want brotherhood, peace and love then you will have to wait until heaven.
That's fine, but don't cry to anyone if you get seriously ill and go bankrupt from your medical bills even though you have insurance, can't afford a college education for your children, or become unemployed and get evicted from your apartment or house at any point in your life.
I fully expect someone with your views to be consistent with your sentiments, accept your fate, and not accept ANY form of public help for you or any member of your family. No federal subsidized student loans or grants, no mortgage loan adjustments or tax breaks, no unemployment insurance, no food stamps, no medicare and certainly no social security payments when you reach retirement.
If you really believe these "protesters" have any impact on the issues you addressed above, you don't have a clue about what is going on down there. If you ask them why they are there you will be surprised. Their motives are primarily self interest, far from altruistic.
I wonder how sympathetic you would be if they were in your neighborhood. What about the surrounding businesses laying off employees or about to go under due to lack of customers because of these people, children unable to sleep in their own homes because of drumming all hours of the day and night, human feces and urine on the street from these people?
Perhaps read a newspaper or, better, go down there and see for yourself. Talk to these kids. I did a couple of weeks ago and was angered at what I saw and heard. This is my opinion, granted, but at least it is an educated one based on first hand knowledge.
Where is the source for this alleged business owner who is "forced" to lay off people?
Has anyone on this board actually been to OWS lately? There is NO WAY the people in Zuccoti park cause anything else than tourists flocking to the area to gaze at the "weirdos".
And Urban, your post should be deleted as pure bull****. No one wants socialism. All OWS asks for is BALANCE and a few jobs. Sorry if you find that offensive, I and 67% of Americans find it pretty reasonable.
OWS does NOT want balance. They want the easy way out. They want socialism. Then want to sit around smoking dope while someone else feeds them. They do NOT want jobs. They want to earn a living, but they don't want to work for it. They want to pee and poop wherever they like. They want to eat donated food, but don't want to be forced to share with homeless people. They want to destroy corporations, but keep their "toys" that corporations make. And, oh yeah, they want to kick all the jews out of the country, like the sweet little nazi sympathizers that they are.
Actually, the value of that home isn't really that much: It's worth $915,000, which may be a lot for Michigan, but it's not that much in NYC. I'm sure a lot more than 1% of NYC residents live in $1,000,000 + homes (I'm not saying that it's a very large percentage, but definitely more than 1%)
You do understand that houses cost different prices in different parts of the country, don't you?
If you really believe these "protesters" have any impact on the issues you addressed above, you don't have a clue about what is going on down there. If you ask them why they are there you will be surprised. Their motives are primarily self interest, far from altruistic.
I wonder how sympathetic you would be if they were in your neighborhood. What about the surrounding businesses laying off employees or about to go under due to lack of customers because of these people, children unable to sleep in their own homes because of drumming all hours of the day and night, human feces and urine on the street from these people?
Perhaps read a newspaper or, better, go down there and see for yourself. Talk to these kids. I did a couple of weeks ago and was angered at what I saw and heard. This is my opinion, granted, but at least it is an educated one based on first hand knowledge.
Yes, I haven't really felt animosity towards the OWS people and like most Americans, I defend the right to protest. I sympathize with some of the basic sentiments behind what some of these folks are saying.
But, I know a lot of people who work at the WTC site and the adjacent offices. They tell me that they hate walking to and from work because they are randomly screamed at, cursed at, and are always being hit up for money by the OWS people, and as one of them said to me today, the area smells like someone is keeping goats. One woman who just returned from maternity leave said that after her first week back she switched her commute from SI from taking the bus to using the SI ferry just so she doesn't have to pass them.
Exactly, protesting in tents in a park will not do anything. The government is corrupt; furthermore, the human heart is corrupt. We live in a world where money, possession and life experience are everything. If you play the game monopoly with some friends you can experience what is happening in the world.
If you want brotherhood, peace and love then you will have to wait until heaven.
so, I understand that OWS rumored to have threatened to disrupt the Stock Exchange on their Anniversary?
That's not going to just affect the 1%. But that's going to affect all of those who have some form of pension / retirement plan. Yes, if you're unemployed with no money, then yeah, I guess you're okay. But that's by no means 99%.
Is the raid try to keep the organizer busy with the basic logistic of keeping the movement alive so they don't have time to plan larger, far more disruptive, "attacks"?
Great! Tell those East Germans who tore down the Berlin wall through peaceful protesting and marches, thus instigating the first peaceful revolution in history that only crotch grabbing, fist pumping USA USA USA USA machine gun fire from helicopters can change things. I'm sure they'll concede that they were wrong and should have used violence to overthrow their government.
Except that you're wrong.
Did the protests "succeed"? Yes. Was the wall torn down because of the protests? No.
In 1989 the Soviet Union was bankrupt for all intents and purposes. Realizing this, Gorbachev began to liberalize the political and economic system in order to try to avert a collapse (which eventually occurred anyway). The only other way to keep the USSR together at that point was to revert to Stalin like iron fisted/ murderous rule and very few within the Soviet politburo were willing to explore this option. Mainly because the military was just extracted from a 10+ year war in Afghanistan and mistrust was already running high among the ranks.
The USSR could barely support itself, let alone its vast empire of sattelite states. The Soviets told their sattelite states that they were on their own. This is what brought down the Berlin wall. The Soviets were the force keeping that wall up ( not the East Germans) and when they left, the wall came down. The East German communist government was far too weak without Soviet backing. They were always weak. Do you think most East Germans post WW2 wanted a divided Germany?
The protests were not insignificant but they were not the main driving force behind the wall coming down. The protests were more so a confirmation of a long standing reality in East Germany. Namely that the Soviets and not the East Germans wanted and maintained a divided Germany.
Kill them and/or bankrupt them. There's no other way.
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