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Old 12-23-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Agreed but that doesn't necessarily make this person ghetto. You and I know fully well how that word is coded.
Coded in your mind.
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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Actually the "Great Migration" of southern blacks to the north or west helped bring about the collapse of large swaths of the latter's economy. Quite simply the south has always been built upon cheap (or free as in slaves) labor for everything from farming to domestic service. When blacks fled that pool grew smaller.


Yes, you had poor whites but they to either began leaving or found better ways of earning a living.
Increased mechanization made much of the rural Black labor force from the South redundant. That's why they left as funding work in rural areas simply became too difficult. So they left in search of work.
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:28 AM
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That pretty much his how it played out in many North Shore communities from Saint George right along to Mariner's Harbor...


Ditto for looping around Saint George onto Bay Street heading out to Rosebank.... Back in the day that area was solid white (mostly Italian but some Irish, etc...) but that has all changed.


Though the process did start slowly in the 1970's, yes by the 1980's it was full steam ahead! *LOL*


Know a guy who grew up in West Brighton on Elm Street but the family moved in the 1980's. He drove through his old block a year ago and couldn't believe what a hood it had become. Real estate persons try to sell Bement Avenue below Henderson as "Randall Manor" which or course it isn't.
i grew up in st.george in the 80s-2010 and the area has come a long way since hitting rock bottom. if your friend drove through there in the early to mid 90s he probably would have had a heart attack lol
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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Increased mechanization made much of the rural Black labor force from the South redundant. That's why they left as funding work in rural areas simply became too difficult. So they left in search of work.


Again, you don't know wholly what you are talking about.


In many parts of southern economy the availability of cheap (negro or white) labor trumped the value of mechanized machinery. In fact it often brought about undesired consequences.


Eli Whitney's cotton gin hit the market around 1794 but rather than decrease the need for labor it contributed to the demand. This lead to the expansion of slavery as that was the only way the southern economy could get that supply cheaply.


Share cropping, convict farming, etc... all went on in the south and even mid-west well into the 1930's if not until the start of WWII. This as tractors and other machines could replace humans for many farming tasks.


Main crop in the south was cotton, and it was picked by hand until the 1940's (and often beyond) until the invention of the mechanical cotton picking tractor. Thing is machines cost money that some farmers/plantation owners either could not or would not pay. Why should they? Again they still often could lay hands on *cheap* labor to do the work.


Anything to do with textile production is labor intensive and hence subject to costs. That is why much of said industry packed up and moved to the south from the north. When labor became expensive and or tight in the south it moved again, this time to India, China and Asian countries were again there is an abundance of cheap and often exploitable labor.

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Old 12-23-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Queens, N.Y.
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I don't think the ghetto thing is really pertinent. This woman is either a straight up criminal, mentally unstable, or both.
Didn't you know on this message board violent crimes committed by black/brown people are never due to mental illness?
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Again, you don't know wholly what you are talking about.


In many parts of southern economy the availability of cheap (negro) labor trumped the value of mechanized machinery. In fact it often brought about undesired consequences.


Eli Whitney's cotton gin was hit the market around 1794 but rather than decrease the need for labor it contributed to the demand. This lead to the expansion of slavery as that was the only way the southern economy could get that supply cheaply.


Share cropping, convict farming, etc... all went on in the south and even mid-west well into the 1930's if not until the start of WWII. This as tractors and other machines could replace humans for many farming tasks.


Main crop in the south was cotton, and it was picked by hand until the 1940's (and often beyond) until the invention of the mechanical cotton picking tractor. Thing is machines cost money that some farmers/plantation owners either could not or would not pay. Why should they? Again they still often could lay hands on *cheap* labor to do the work.


Anything to do with textile production is labor intensive and hence subject to costs. That is why much of said industry packed up and moved to the south from the north. When labor became expensive and or tight in the south it moved again, this time to India, China and Asian countries were again there is an abundance of cheap and often exploitable labor.
Exactly.
Hope you saw the Jacob Lawrence exhibition.
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Old 12-23-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Lol let's keep in mind we know nothing about this person. For all we know he/she could be regular ol middle class person or even well to do. But we know to many people on this forum a black person on the subway is ghetto automatically.
I actually thought the person seemed quite unstable, class notwithstanding. I was responding to comments other people made.

Oddly, this morning on the way to the gym, I saw not one or two but FOUR obviously unstable people on the way between 125th and 59th.
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Old 12-23-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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i grew up in st.george in the 80s-2010 and the area has come a long way since hitting rock bottom. if your friend drove through there in the early to mid 90s he probably would have had a heart attack lol


Actually know a few guys who grew up in Saint George during the same time period (if not a bit before). They are mostly still there living on Stuyvesant Place and a few other streets. They all are living in their parent's homes (long since paid off) and like you said have seen the area go from highs to lows and coming back up again.
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Old 12-23-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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im sorry. i meant black

So then, is "of color" much different from "colored?" Should it be?
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Old 12-23-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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^ I've always interpretted "of color" as any non-white ethnicity. This could be Asian, black, Hispanic, Indian, etc.

"Colored" on the other hand were strictly referring to blacks so yes, those two have completely different meanings (to me anyway).
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