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Old 11-25-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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Because this jobs about the benefits with the pension being at the top of that benefits list?
And the pensions are essentially the same for FDNY and DSNY so who cares how well funded one of them is when they'll both always be backed by the taxpayer?

 
Old 11-25-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Pensions are totally different. Why care about anything when everything is backed by the taxpayer?
 
Old 11-25-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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And the pensions are essentially the same for FDNY and DSNY so who cares how well funded one of them is when they'll both always be backed by the taxpayer?
What did I just read. Our pension is NOT subsidized by taxpayers LOL.

Public pensions receive funds from three sources: employer contributions, employee contributions, and investment returns.
 
Old 11-25-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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umm "employer contributions"...
 
Old 11-26-2019, 05:01 AM
 
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What did I just read. Our pension is NOT subsidized by taxpayers LOL.

Public pensions receive funds from three sources: employer contributions, employee contributions, and investment returns.
My point is that if pension liabilities ever exceeded contributions the taxpayer would pick up the bill. The pension fund wouldn't run dry and default like they do in the public sector.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 05:03 AM
 
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umm "employer contributions"...

Lol exactly
 
Old 11-26-2019, 07:10 PM
 
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My point is that if pension liabilities ever exceeded contributions the taxpayer would pick up the bill. The pension fund wouldn't run dry and default like they do in the public sector.
Wrong, what will happen is the new hires will pay the bill for a failing pension system. They will be paying 10 percent instead of 4 percent. They will make it harder to get 3/4. Heard about SS offset and how half would be removed from your pension, well they might make it that 3/4 will be removed from the pension. There are plenty of way that the new hires will pay for a failing pension system.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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umm "employer contributions"...
No, not really nor exclusively:

" New York City pension plan is funded by contributions from employees, the employer (New York City taxpayer) and from earnings on the invested assets of the system. It’s from this pool of money that the benefits of a defined pension plan are paid to retirees."

And Sal Albanese ought to know....

https://citylimits.org/2019/01/31/ci...nsions-in-nyc/
 
Old 11-29-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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No, not really nor exclusively:

" New York City pension plan is funded by contributions from employees, the employer (New York City taxpayer) and from earnings on the invested assets of the system. It’s from this pool of money that the benefits of a defined pension plan are paid to retirees."

And Sal Albanese ought to know....

https://citylimits.org/2019/01/31/ci...nsions-in-nyc/
Read the article:
"The plan must earn at least 7 percent annually to keep pace with those commitments. If returns fall below that number, that usually means the taxpayers have to contribute more money to the system than the city’s financial plan projected."

If the pension fund made poor investment or the market crashes, even new hire reduced benefits wouldn't be enough to cover the 7% required to keep pace with the commitments. It would have to be covered by the tax payer. All it takes is one recession to make that happen.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 11:19 PM
 
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