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Old 06-15-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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So you think we're over thinking it then. I was about to get into the usage of square feet of land occupied by built structures etc.
Not overthinking it, just been misled over the years

"Suburban living in the city"

LoL ppl fall for it

It's just a low-density urban area.
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Not overthinking it, just been misled over the years

"Suburban living in the city"

LoL ppl fall for it

It's just a low-density urban area.
I agree that prettt much nowhere in NYC is actual suburbia, however I also think you're looking at the city thing too literally. A lot of sunbelt cities have neighborhoods that are functionally suburbia. Like less walkable than even Baldwin by a lot.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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I agree that prettt much nowhere in NYC is actual suburbia, however I also think you're looking at the city thing too literally. A lot of sunbelt cities have neighborhoods that are functionally suburbia. Like less walkable than even Baldwin by a lot.
The only urban areas of Long Island are Glen Cove and Long Beach.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:01 PM
 
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I agree that prettt much nowhere in NYC is actual suburbia, however I also think you're looking at the city thing too literally. A lot of sunbelt cities have neighborhoods that are functionally suburbia. Like less walkable than even Baldwin by a lot.
Meh

Urban planning 101

Less walkable doesn't mean anything

The reason why its less walkable is because less ppl live there

NYC is more walkable because we have more ppl, therefore we need more access to stuff

Quite simple

U said it yourself, sunbelt cities

They're cities

You cannot be a city with suburban aspects, either you're a city or you're not

Case in point: City of Long Beach, NY

It's a city. A pretty dense one at that.

Play some SimCity
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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The only urban areas of Long Island are Glen Cove and Long Beach.
Bingo

You been killin it lately anyway

I gave Reps.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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The only urban areas of Long Island are Glen Cove and Long Beach.
Hempstead village too

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Meh

Urban planning 101

Less walkable doesn't mean anything

The reason why its less walkable is because less ppl live there

NYC is more walkable because we have more ppl, therefore we need more access to stuff

Quite simple

U said it yourself, sunbelt cities

They're cities

You cannot be a city with suburban aspects, either you're a city or you're not

Case in point: City of Long Beach, NY

It's a city. A pretty dense one at that.

Play some SimCity
Long Beach is urban

But Jacksonville FL has straight up rural areas in its city limits
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Old 06-15-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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Hempstead village too



Long Beach is urban

But Jacksonville FL has straight up rural areas in its city limits
Hempstead is a village.

Jacksonville is the largest urban area in the country.
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Old 06-15-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Three related ways people use the term urban which leads to confusion:

- urban in regards to the build and function of an area, especially in regards to density and use patterns

- urban in regards to culture, often either relating to a cosmopolitan outlook (maybe from people confused with the word "urbane") or sometimes in regards to the culture identified with communities in dense, rough neighborhoods

- urban in regards to municipalities and their relation to each other with primary cities considered urban and municipalities separate and usually smaller or less a center of social and commercial activity from it to be regarded as suburban

Maybe we should strike some of these definitions out and use words without conflated meanings.
Just wanted to quote this masterpiece so you all can see how you're crossing streams.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:22 PM
 
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Hempstead is a village.

Jacksonville is the largest urban area in the country.
Okay so Terrace Ave in Hempstead is Leave it to Beaver suburbia, and a horse ranch and Jacksonville is urban

Got it
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Well it turns out that Yorkville is the densest neighborhood in the whole city, with a density of over 150k ppsm. That's insanely high!

And OyCrumbler, if these statistics are correct, then your claim that Bushwick is significantly denser than Bed Stuy is wrong. They're around the same

http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/..._pl_p5_nta.pdf
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