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Old 09-16-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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Eh, not sure ya'll built America. You picked stuff and lifted stuff, but most cities (which is where America thrived) were built by others.
Hmm, check your US history. Also by your inference blacks you might feel did not contribute intellectually during the slave period. Well, yes and no. They were not technically not even allowed to get educated. Yet despite that they acquired so much technical knowledge that they may have been the most self sufficient group in the South after the civil war. Then you got reconstruction which was filled with violent Jim Crow laws. Im not African American but as an American we should all know that.

 
Old 09-16-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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Eh, not sure ya'll built America. You picked stuff and lifted stuff, but most cities (which is where America thrived) were built by others.
The economic engine of the slave trade helped to fuel America’s prosperity. The profits from the trade in enslaved people flowed to many places. Traders were not the only ones to profit from America’s internal slave trade. Slave owners in the Upper South profited because they received cash for the people they sold. Slave owners in the Lower South profited because the people they purchased were forced to labor in the immensely productive cotton and sugar fields. The merchants who supplied clothing and food to the slave traders profited, as did steamboat, railroad and shipowners who carried enslaved people.

Capitalists in the North profited by investing in banks that handled the exchange of money for people, or in insurance companies that provided insurance for the owners’ investments in enslaved people. So did foreign investors in Southern securities, some of which were issued on mortgaged slaves. The hotbed of American abolitionism — New England — was also the home of America’s cotton textile industry, which grew rich on the backs of the enslaved people forced to pick cotton. The story of America’s domestic slave trade is not just a story about Richmond or New Orleans, but about America.

The slave trade is not merely a footnote or a side story in the history of American slavery, but was central to its modernization and continuation.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 04:17 PM
 
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The economic engine of the slave trade helped to fuel America’s prosperity. The profits from the trade in enslaved people flowed to many places. Traders were not the only ones to profit from America’s internal slave trade. Slave owners in the Upper South profited because they received cash for the people they sold. Slave owners in the Lower South profited because the people they purchased were forced to labor in the immensely productive cotton and sugar fields. The merchants who supplied clothing and food to the slave traders profited, as did steamboat, railroad and shipowners who carried enslaved people.

Capitalists in the North profited by investing in banks that handled the exchange of money for people, or in insurance companies that provided insurance for the owners’ investments in enslaved people. So did foreign investors in Southern securities, some of which were issued on mortgaged slaves. The hotbed of American abolitionism — New England — was also the home of America’s cotton textile industry, which grew rich on the backs of the enslaved people forced to pick cotton. The story of America’s domestic slave trade is not just a story about Richmond or New Orleans, but about America.

The slave trade is not merely a footnote or a side story in the history of American slavery, but was central to its modernization and continuation.
Don't forget that nyc benefited from slavery and slavery was a major industry that indirectly propelled nyc to what to is today. NYC to textile and garment industries were heavily dependent on southern goods crafted by black slaves.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Eh, not sure ya'll built America. You picked stuff and lifted stuff, but most cities (which is where America thrived) were built by others.
"Rather, the hard labor of slaves in places like Alabama, South Carolina, and Mississippi needs to be kept in view as well. In fact, more than half of the nation’s exports in the first six decades of the 19th century consisted of raw cotton, almost all of it grown by slaves, according to the book, which was edited by Sven Beckert, the Laird Bell Professor of History at Harvard University and visiting professor at HBS, as well as Seth Rockman, Associate Professor of History at Brown University."

"The slave economy of the southern states had ripple effects throughout the entire U.S. economy, with plenty of merchants in New York City, Boston, and elsewhere helping to organize the trade of slave-grown agricultural commodities—and enjoying plenty of riches as a result."

"“In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,” Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. “… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.”

"Why did these insights get lost? I think the main reason is ideological and political. For a long time after the Civil War, the nation really did not want to be reminded of either the war or the institution that lay at its root—slavery. A country that saw itself as uniquely invested in human freedom had a hard time coming to terms with the centuries’ long history of enslaving so many of its people."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbswork.../#25b168fb7bd3

A number of academics have done research on how important cotton/slave labor was the basis of the US 19th century economy, providing the majority of it's exports and the US was able to use this to attract investment to Europe. And yes the NYC banks and fashion industry, along with the seaport/shipping and many other industries benefitted from this.

Of course for centuries Black people did work, with NO pay. And after slavery things did not immediately change, as all Black people mostly good do was domestic or agricultural work up until the 60s or 70s. In short many people had parents or grandparents who lived under conditions not very different than our slave ancestors. Of course there's a huge gap in net wealth and it will take generations for things to level out.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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QueensCeltic is "brand new" to the forum and seems to be trolling several threads. Just FYI.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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QueensCeltic is "brand new" to the forum and seems to be trolling several threads. Just FYI.
Ahhhh...thought as much.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 05:15 PM
 
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QueensCeltic is "brand new" to the forum and seems to be trolling several threads. Just FYI.
Thats ok. Seem to have a few people like that.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 05:15 PM
 
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This thread will be shut down in one, two, three.......... *LOL*
 
Old 09-16-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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This thread will be shut down in one, two, three.......... *LOL*
Once Caribny shows his face. This thread is going to shut down in no time.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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and their descendants, my question is why did black americans leave in droves,

https://statisticalatlas.com/metro-a...-and-Ethnicity

https://statisticalatlas.com/metro-a...-York/Ancestry
One of the things I have noticed is that over the past 4 decades. Black Americans have been mating and reproducing with non black Americans from Caribbean countries like Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica and other islands, as well as mainland nations such as Panama and Guyana. I also known folks who are half African and half Black American.
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