The new Political/off topic sticky chat thread (Geneva: retired, deals)

[Magritte25]

Who said anything about loving people? It's about holding myself to a higher standard than the people whom I believe are wrong. I'm not a hypocrite. Obama, Pelosi and other Dems have nothing to do with my personal morals. They were in place long before any of them came to office and they will be in place long after.

I know what's "really" going on in this country and it stinks. Apparently if you don't love the idea of humans getting the **** kicked out of them, you are a terroristic sympathizer.

Again...it's NOT political correctness. I'll say it again: It has nothing to do with Political correctness.

If you would read my posts (I'm dubious that you have) then you would see the logic behind being against torturing terrorists.

It hasn't helped us. It's hurt us. Bad. And it's going to come back to bite us in the ass. The bully *always* gets his ass kicked ... always.

[blip]

I hope the commish will chime in and do a more thorough job picking this insanity apart. Here are some of my immediate thoughts..

Originally Posted by weluvpa

OK.......Our military and government should be able to use any means that are needed to secure our borders and make our country a safer place to live.

Pre-emptively nuking all other countries would be the surest way to protect our borders. So, yeah, let's get on with the show.

Originally Posted by weluvpa

I don't agree with PC nonsense......The Geneva convention was written in a different time and war was a different machine then. Combat has changed, tactics have changed and the environment that it is fought in has changed..........

Torture is a way to get what we need from those that mean to hurt our way of life, our security and safety, our nation as a whole.

Haha wow, torture anyone who means to hurt "our way of life"? To most of us, our way of life includes the government not torturing people. Your argument has imploded on itself, and the terrorists have defeated you..

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Polticians should not be involved in war or our military and how it handles itself.

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Leave war to the military and politics to politicians....

If you don't see any overlap between war and politics (including diplomacy), your model is painfully out of date. Even W came to realize it wasn't this simple.

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by blip

Pre-emptively nuking all other countries would be the surest way to protect our borders. So, yeah, let's get on with the show.

Sounds good to me, let me know when we are going to start so I get some good sunglasses for the show.

I really don't care what you or the commish think....Honestly could care less, inconsequential in my life.

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Sounds good to me, let me know when we are going to start so I get some good sunglasses for the show.

I really don't care what you or the commish think....Honestly could care less, inconsequential in my life.

And that type of mindset is why this country is going down the tubes. Fast.

If you honestly think that nuking other countries so we can be safe is a-OK....well I can't say what I'd like to say. It's pure rubbish and insanity, that I will say.

[NYRangers 2008]

You guys think what you want to think and we'll think what we want to. God forbid we ever get attacked again on our own soil, you might think differently.

[Jungle George]

FOR THE GARDEN OF YOUR DAILY LIVING:

PLANT FOUR ROWS OF PEAS:
1. Peas of mind.
2. Peas of heart.
3. Peas of soul.
4. Peas towards others.

PLANT FOUR ROWS OF SQUASH:
1. Squash gossip.
2. Squash indifference.
3. Squash grumbling.
4. Squash selfishness.

PLANT FIVE ROWS OF LETTUCE:
1. Lettuce be faithful.
2. Lettuce be kind.
3. Lettuce be patient.
4. Lettuce try to love one another.
5. Lettuce deny hypocrisy.

NO GARDEN IS WITHOUT TURNIPS:
1. Turnip for others in need.
2. Turnip for our own needs.

TO CONCLUDE, OUR GARDEN MUST HAVE THYME:
1. Thyme for ourselves.
2. Thyme for family.
3. Thyme for friends.
4. Thyme for prayer.
5. Thyme for understanding.

WATER FREELY WITH PATIENCE AND CULTIVATE WITH LOVE. THERE WILL BE MUCH TO HARVEST IN YOUR GARDEN IF YOU FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS, BECAUSE IN LIFE, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by Magritte25

And that type of mindset is why this country is going down the tubes. Fast.

If you honestly think that nuking other countries so we can be safe is a-OK....well I can't say what I'd like to say. It's pure rubbish and insanity, that I will say.

Its called sarcasm.........I don't feel that nuking anybody helps....I like the way Israelis handle things...You kill one of ours, we kill ten of yours.

Israel could care less what the world thinks of its tactics and it has one of, if not the best trained military in the world.....

We need to stop pandering to the liberal far left in this country and stop caring what other nations think of what or how we secure our safety.

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Its called sarcasm.........I don't feel that nuking anybody helps....I like the way Israelis handle things...You kill one of ours, we kill ten of yours.

Israel could care less what the world thinks of its tactics and it has one of, if not the best trained military in the world.....

We need to stop pandering to the liberal far left in this country and stop caring what other nations think of what or how we secure our safety.

Exactly. Who cares what other nations think of us anyway? We're the greatest country in the world and we don't need anyone's acceptance. We have to protect our interests and citizens and our way of life, the way of life that so many brave people have died and fought so hard for. The left-wingers should think long and hard about that on this Memorial Day weekend and throw their PC agendas out the window.

[Retired Law 08]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

OK.......Our military and government should be able to use any means that are needed to secure our borders and make our country a safer place to live.

I don't agree with PC nonsense......The Geneva convention was written in a different time and war was a different machine then. Combat has changed, tactics have changed and the environment that it is fought in has changed..........

Torture is a way to get what we need from those that mean to hurt our way of life, our security and safety, our nation as a whole.

Polticians should not be involved in war or our military and how it handles itself.

If Ike didn't stop Patton from pushing the Russians back to Russia we would have NEVER had the cold war, but no we had to protect our "allies"...How that work out for ya Ike.

If Bush Sr didn't stop Schwarzkopf from going after Saddam in the first Gulf War then we wouldn't be in Iraq fighting right now..

Leave war to the military and politics to politicians....

totally agreed...great post...and God bless america...on this memorial weekend...

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UH,OH...I better be careful...you have someone that complains about.."extreme patriotic" sayings and such..as being too political and controversal,but yet they post
NATIONAL POLITICS ON A LOCAL POLTICS THREAD...Isn't that
being a hypocrite?....double standards to say the least...but..who cares what
any of these people that haven't had any real life experience have to say..
they just don't know any better....and GOD BLESS AMERICA...

[AbbeysMom]

I like your "extreme patriotism", there is nothing wrong with being a proud American. I am glad to see that you posted as I was terribly worried about you.