Orange County Schools getting slammed from budget cuts (Kennedy: rent, home)

[Charles]

What's the word on the street for this? Is this looking likely? Is there any discussion of contingency plans?

"Capistrano Unified's school board has been locked in an ideological battle with its teachers union for more than a year now over a proposed 10 percent across-the-board, permanent pay cut.....in January, in response to the proposed 10 percent pay cuts, teachers engaged in an official, one-week labor slowdown in which they abstained from performing all non-contractual services, such as taking work home and returning parent phone calls at night."

from

Strike preparations begin in Capo Unified | strike, teachers, union - News - The Orange County Register

This news below is nauseating:

"There's no straight fifth-grade class at the school; it's either four/five or five/six," said Principal Kelly Kennedy. "Teachers really have to work together to support all the kids."
School districts are bracing for even larger class sizes next year, and many schools could look like Capistrano Unified, with 30 or more kids in classes that were once capped at 20."

and

"the tangible effects of the loss of $498 million in state revenue last year for Orange County public schools, which followed on losses during previous years. Last year alone, some 2,300 jobs were slashed from the payroll in local schools, including about 1,500 teaching positions."

from

Parents, kids adjust to larger class sizes - News - The Orange County Register

[Fontucky]

The word I hear is they will be going out. I have no sympathy for them.

[bhcompy]

Dunno about Capo, but over at Los Al Unified the teachers(and all other district personnel) agreed to a handful of unpaid furlough days just a few days ago to take place before the end of the school year. Layoffs have already been occurring(my sons teacher this year was on the layoff list and was rehired 2 days before the school year started after the school had more enrollment than expected in his grade), and there are a few combo classes, but otherwise it's mostly been invisible. No strike talk yet, hopefully being a small district will help avert any strikes that may happen

[sailnd]

Is it safe to assume that a teaching career in California is not a good idea at this time?

[GoldenZephyr]

Its difficult to say, but if you didn't have "undocumented" the class sizes would often be smaller. No one wants to talk about the fact that you have an enormous population of people who use services but pay for none of it. No surprise that the system is out of money. Everyone should have to pay something, whether through service, cash, or taxes. This method of making a few pay while many get a free ride will only end up in collapse.

It may not be PC, but it is economic fact. More takers than payers equals bust.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by GoldenZephyr

Everyone should have to pay something, whether through service, cash, or taxes. This method of making a few pay while many get a free ride will only end up in collapse.

It's not a totally free ride. Those who rent are paying for schools in the form of property taxes which are part of their rent. However, it's a function of what the voters want. Voting results are by belly button, not by taxes paid; the guy paying $30K/year in property taxes has exactly the same amount of voting power as the person who pays $200/year in property taxes. So, if you're a dad making $10/hour (and paying peanuts in property taxes) and you have five kids in the school system, you are a huge net consumer of government services.

[GoldenZephyr]

Originally Posted by Charles

It's not a totally free ride. Those who rent are paying for schools in the form of property taxes which are part of their rent. However, it's a function of what the voters want. Voting results are by belly button, not by taxes paid; the guy paying $30K/year in property taxes has exactly the same amount of voting power as the person who pays $200/year in property taxes. So, if you're a dad making $10/hour (and paying peanuts in property taxes) and you have five kids in the school system, you are a huge net consumer of government services.

Agreed, didn't say voting should be by taxes paid, but there should be some contribution. The ability of those who consume with virtually no stake in the game to take from others is unsustainable as producers will tire of confiscation.

Witness the perpetual deficits of CA. More takers than payers, with the takers being asked to contribute little to nothing. As I said, the contributions should be in the form of other cash payments, labor, other service etc. to the state as contribution for the services they are consuming.

Otherwise, if able bodied people take from the collective without contributing back to that gov't system, they are essentially gluttons who will consume until the system collapses. Again, witness CA.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Charles

It's not a totally free ride. Those who rent are paying for schools in the form of property taxes which are part of their rent. However, it's a function of what the voters want. Voting results are by belly button, not by taxes paid; the guy paying $30K/year in property taxes has exactly the same amount of voting power as the person who pays $200/year in property taxes. So, if you're a dad making $10/hour (and paying peanuts in property taxes) and you have five kids in the school system, you are a huge net consumer of government services.

Chain illegal immigration also means those 5 will be voters. Their kids will also be.
Rent is not much of a factor if 5 families live under one roof. Bottom line is we are paying taxes to be consumed by illegal foreigners and their US kids here via the loophole in the 14th amendment.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by GoldenZephyr

Agreed, didn't say voting should be by taxes paid, but there should be some contribution. The ability of those who consume with virtually no stake in the game to take from others is unsustainable as producers will tire of confiscation.

Witness the perpetual deficits of CA. More takers than payers, with the takers being asked to contribute little to nothing. As I said, the contributions should be in the form of other cash payments, labor, other service etc. to the state as contribution for the services they are consuming.

Otherwise, if able bodied people take from the collective without contributing back to that gov't system, they are essentially gluttons who will consume until the system collapses. Again, witness CA.

The state of California hasn't always been in a deficit, there have been surplus years too - even with illegal aliens. I think this is a very complicated subject - way beyond me. In fact, if dozens of PhDs and MBAs can't figure it out, I doubt we will.

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by Charles

It's not a totally free ride. Those who rent are paying for schools in the form of property taxes which are part of their rent. However, it's a function of what the voters want. Voting results are by belly button, not by taxes paid; the guy paying $30K/year in property taxes has exactly the same amount of voting power as the person who pays $200/year in property taxes. So, if you're a dad making $10/hour (and paying peanuts in property taxes) and you have five kids in the school system, you are a huge net consumer of government services.

Voters did vote(Prop 187) and the courts decided to intervene on behalf of the illegals, which now results in 10-20billion a year the state of CA loses to illegals providing public services.