09-10-2009, 11:50 AM
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Most beach towns, if not all, are small enough where a top notch bus system is not going to be a financial reality for the town.
I'm afraid that pretty well sums it up. The sad thing is that, given the average resident age in most of these towns, a good bus system would make a lot of sense. A very high percentage of our elderly coastal residents don't have the faculties and visual acuity needed to be safe drivers. Unfortunately, we don't make it easy for them to give up their cars. Many coastal towns have dial-a-ride types of bus or van service, but nothing with any set schedule.
09-10-2009, 12:30 PM
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I'm afraid that pretty well sums it up. The sad thing is that, given the average resident age in most of these towns, a good bus system would make a lot of sense. A very high percentage of our elderly coastal residents don't have the faculties and visual acuity needed to be safe drivers. Unfortunately, we don't make it easy for them to give up their cars. Many coastal towns have dial-a-ride types of bus or van service, but nothing with any set schedule.
Actually, the worst drivers I see at the coast are the tourists, who drive well under the speed limit in order to stare at the ocean. Routinely, they will slam on their brakes, too, totally unaware that someone may be driving behind them. I live in a popular area, and this happens to me several times a week. I have never had an "incident" with an older person here... I did have many of those with the elderly in Salem (where they would not see and pull right out in front of me or drive 10 MPH in a 35 MPH zone), yet Salem has a great bus service. Hmmmmm
09-11-2009, 05:29 AM
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Wha'?
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And the comparison to Los Angelos and California?
WE DON"T WANT OREGON TO BECOME CALIFORNIA!!!
The coast is a place to get away from it all, that's the beauty of it, and you can take your "room to grow" statement right back to SOCAL!!!!!!!!
The "Growing" is what is ruining what makes the Oregon coast so special!... This is OREGON for God's sake, not CALIFORNIA!!!!
(Sorry about no "happy face".)
I've had my coffee this morning. How about you? I don't come here to pick fights... Well, not much, anyway *L*
You read way more into my statement than there was ever intended.
I was trying to find a way to state that Oregon is just not as dense as California WITHOUT sounding judgemental & you went all judgemental judo on me!
I love Oregon. I didn't come here to wish anything California like on it.
It's just a-m-a-z-i-n-g that this state is so unpopulated, in comparison to where "I" came from. I had to come from SOMEWHERE since I wasn't born here!
You're the first person in my city-data life to come off as so overtly hostile.
I'm not looking for enemies here! There's no real conflict!
Peace - Kate
PS I just posted to get the thread started!
You have to admit it is startling to compare the numeric differences... As for tax base for services, CA takes the cake & runs over it - their tax base is spent ahead of time apparently! Of course we don't want OR to be like CA, silly.
09-11-2009, 08:00 PM
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Hey, I was just behind a bus in Lincoln City which said "Lincoln County Transit", so there is a bus service of some sort here on the coast. Just letting the poster know.
09-13-2009, 08:37 AM
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I think the time has come to admit that "not enough population" is an outdated and irrelevant reason not to have bus transit. We have put gazillions into roads, into private auto subsidies, and into alleged homeland security. I ask, how is the coast of oregon going to evacuate when the two lane roads are insuffient for all the cars, when the roads east are insufficient, when they discontinue passenger rail, boat service, air flights, and there are no buses? Fellow, it's not going to be much different than New Orleans and that should be a national shame. Maybe a bit off point but I just hate to hear that lame old "not enough population" excuse--how many cars with one or two people drive up and down the coast? And what do those cars cost us in taxes?
09-13-2009, 02:12 PM
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agreed
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esya
I think the time has come to admit that "not enough population" is an outdated and irrelevant reason not to have bus transit. We have put gazillions into roads, into private auto subsidies, and into alleged homeland security. I ask, how is the coast of oregon going to evacuate when the two lane roads are insuffient for all the cars, when the roads east are insufficient, when they discontinue passenger rail, boat service, air flights, and there are no buses? Fellow, it's not going to be much different than New Orleans and that should be a national shame. Maybe a bit off point but I just hate to hear that lame old "not enough population" excuse--how many cars with one or two people drive up and down the coast? And what do those cars cost us in taxes?
i'm not making excuses about the low tax base per capita - hope ya know - it was just the only reason i could imagine...
people in oregon seem to hate taxation... so PLEASE pretty please forgive me --- but maybe a bit of a tax added to car registration would help, as long as the administration of that tax didn't cost more than the apportioned tax (is that what happened in CA? did the administration eat all their taxes?)
whenever certain taxes are proposed here in OR, like when they think about a sales tax, i wonder if it's cost effective. if paying people to administrate a tax costs more than the tax collects, it's a lose-lose situation... keeping track of sales tax seems like a job no one can really do effectively, also.... i don't think a sales tax would be worth the trouble unless it cost almost nothing to administrate.
i agree there should be more services. i would never propose to make it a loser situation for the citizen or propose higher density as a way to fix anything. but how does a state get ahead?
that money has to come from somewhere.... the feds won't 'bend over' for the states... *g* just for big biznuts.
the feds want to control our food sources (hr875?) and health care, the auto industry & banking/mortgages... i'm not paranoid but the outlook is strange.
i hear portland downtown has an excellent transportation system. i wish it were statewide. i'd love to take a bus to the beach from eugene. i hate driving on those hills. i'm a fraidy cat.
kate
09-13-2009, 03:21 PM
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esya
I think the time has come to admit that "not enough population" is an outdated and irrelevant reason not to have bus transit. We have put gazillions into roads, into private auto subsidies , and into alleged homeland security. I ask, how is the coast of oregon going to evacuate when the two lane roads are insuffient for all the cars, when the roads east are insufficient, when they discontinue passenger rail, boat service, air flights, and there are no buses? Fellow, it's not going to be much different than New Orleans and that should be a national shame. Maybe a bit off point but I just hate to hear that lame old "not enough population" excuse--how many cars with one or two people drive up and down the coast? And what do those cars cost us in taxes?
What do you mean by this? You mean the Cash for Clunkers program? Because I'm pretty sure, infrastructure aside, I have never been paid by tax dollars from the government to buy or own a car... For example, someone owning a car typically doesn't cost the taxpayers money, other than for building roads.
And in Oregon's case, tsunamis are the risk of living on the coast (I assume that's what you were referring too when you said national shame and evacuation and that). People are aware of the risk and they don't have to live there. Currently, they're mapping out the whole coast to see where people would have to go in order to get out of a tsunami danger zone if the case of a subduction zone megathrust earthquake so the danger can be curtailed. And why would they cut air and bus service? That doesn't make sense. And there hasn't been passenger rail service on the coast for who knows how long. Buses won't exactly help much when the old bridges are all wiped out by the earthquake anyway...
09-13-2009, 04:54 PM
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but maybe a bit of a tax added to car registration would help, as long as the administration of that tax didn't cost more than the apportioned tax (is that what happened in CA? did the administration eat all their taxes?)
Bad idea, unless you really really
really trust your state government.
California took all the road tax money collected and "loaned" it to the state General Fund.
It's gone.
So we still have lousy roads.
09-14-2009, 01:14 AM
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Yeah, it's hard to trust the gov't with $$. CA apparently took all the money in every fund, spent it & still has it's hand out. The way they were headed was evident at least 2 years ago!
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I'm sure any tax or levy passed in OR will have strict/diligent oversight.
If we could get better mass transit that would bring more of us
out to the coast here, I bet that would end up paying for itself! I'd easily pay $10 a head for round trip there for the day. Maybe even $15. If they charged $10 per child & $15 per adult, then maybe it would be a viable enterprise!
They'd then also need buses on the coast to get us around... If a private company could provide the service, then we wouldn't have to wait for the cash strapped gov't to provide this service....
Anyone want to start up a bus fleet?
Kate
09-14-2009, 02:30 PM
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I don't know how easy it will be to get around once you get there, but your wish has come true.
There may be a bus to Newport, OR also.
From the Amtrak website:
Portland, OR (
PDX ) To Astoria - Mini Mart Bus Stop, OR (
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Select Service Departs Arrives Duration Amenities Seats/ Rooms
$18.00 5564 Bus
Portland, OR
(
PDX )
6:20 pm
15-SEP-09
Astoria, OR
- Mini Mart Bus Stop
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ARI )
8:35 pm
15-SEP-09 2h 15m
1 Reserved Thruway Seat
Astoria - Mini Mart Bus Stop, OR (
ARI ) To Portland, OR (
PDX )
Select Service Departs Arrives Duration Amenities Seats/ Rooms
$18.00 5563 Bus
Astoria, OR
- Mini Mart Bus Stop
(
ARI )
8:15 am
16-SEP-09
Portland, OR
(
PDX )
10:30 am
16-SEP-09 2h 15m
1 Reserved Thruway Seat
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Most Common Occupations - Health diagnosing and treating practitioners and other technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health technologists and technicians (%)
Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)