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Old 05-11-2012, 04:58 PM
 
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Presidents regardless of their political points of view all share one thing in common - an unquenchable thirst for power.

Not ALL presidents have daughters, but a preponderance of them do. Two termers seem to have more daughters.



Obama 2 daughters
George W. Bush - 2 daughters
Clinton - one daughter
George Bush - mixed. 4 boys 2 girls
Ronald Regan - 2 daughters 1 son
Jimmy Carter- 3 sons 1 daughter
Gerald Ford - 1 girl 3 boys
Richard Nixon- 2 daughters
Lyndon B. Johnson - 2 daughters

That's as far back as I can remember. Out of the past nine presidencies, five presidents produced only daughters.

Two term presidents - GW Bush, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton were daughter only families. The only 2 term prez with a son was Ronald Reagan.

Statistically, there should be 51% boys and 49 % girls. (slightly more live births are male)

Presidents are not the only power driven people. I have seen this pattern among the very wealthy, successful doctors, lawyers, business professionals etc.

Others with whom I have shared this, including several doctors who I worked with when I was a nurse, agreed.
It would make infinitely more sense to think that having girls somehow made them power hungry, than to think that being power hungry somehow caused them to have girls.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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Of course not. That would be outrageous and silly. I'm not a scientist, I am a former nurse( peds, endocrinology and oncology) and I hold a degree in Sociology/ Cultural Anthro/ Psych and a minor in Family and Gender Studies. Graduate studies in the Social Sciences

But Landrum Shettels MD, a pioneer in gender selection did research at Columbia University in the 1980s, that concurs with my own observations.
And I have a degree in Political Science/International Relations.

This ain't on the radar and, trust me, it would be if it had ANY validity.

Who needs the bomb? We just ship oysters to the enemy.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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I got a kick out of this theory. As the mother of three boys, I saw myself pretty well described, but my DH is anything but passive.

And, Eresh is correct. The father determines the sex of the child.

If you were well described, and your husband was not, than your personality is stronger than his. The more dominant in each couple is the determinant. Usually one will be paired with the other. But not always.

Of course the male has both sets of chromosomes and the woman only one.

(male XY , female XX) so for a long time it was thought that this was the sole determinant.

It's a big one but it's not the only. The time of month that a couple conceives has an effect on the conditions within the woman's body - alkalinity vs. acidity, condition and quality of the female mucosa which helps to "escort" the sperm to the egg, and frequency of intercourse previous to conception with regard to the male.

These conditions can in many instances be connected to character traits in the male and the female. Having very frequent sexual relations lowers the sperm count (especially the male sperm) and favors female conception. "male sperm" are faster, smaller, but more fragile and shorter lived. "female sperm"are larger, slower, live longer in vivo, and are heartier.

When a male has very frequent intercourse, he depletes his sperm count.But the male sperm are depleted more than the female.

And that is only one factor.

Think about what personality types might have more frequent relations.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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Women who have daughters tend to choose more dominant partners, who are often quite successful. They tend to be more submissive or passive, and somewhat less interested in sex than their son bearing partners.

Men who have daughters are very competitive. They also tend to be quite successful in whatever they choose. They are dominant in their relationships with women, and very interested in women. They are more likely to have affairs (NOT ALL DO) than men who have sons. Their sex drives are quite high. They may couple with high achieving woman, but what ever their partners achieve, they will achieve more. They tend to be hyper, on the move, and interested in exploration travel and conquering new things.
This is the complete opposite of my family. My mom pretty much calls all the shots, and my dad writes the checks for it.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Research done by Landrum B. Shettels of Columbia University, who pioneered gender selection.
My understanding is that independent researchers have had difficulty replicating Shettels' reported success rates, although there are couples who swear by his method. I'm having difficulty finding a description of personality traits being linked to gender selection from his work. Could you point me in the right direction for a source for that?
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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OP, you do realize that correlation does not imply a causal effect, right? We haven't even had enough presidents to give a large enough sample size to generalize from. Besides, people who purposely try to gender sway (intercourse timing, pH, etc.) aren't always successful. I'm curious, exactly how does the condition of a woman's cervical mucous relate to her personality characteristics? And with the timing before ovulation... are you saying that more dominant women tend to have intercourse the right number of days before ovulating? Do they have some special way of knowing exactly when they are going to ovulate that other women don't have (other than those ovulation predictor tests, which only tell you like the day of ovulation and not several days before) Additionally, a healthy male would have to ejaculate more than once a day in order to have a huge affect on his sperm count, and that would affect all sperm, X or Y. I get what you're trying to say (I think), but your reasoning seems flawed. I would like to see the scientific evidence to back your claim.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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OP, you do realize that correlation does not imply a causal effect, right? We haven't even had enough presidents to give a large enough sample size to generalize from. Besides, people who purposely try to gender sway (intercourse timing, pH, etc.) aren't always successful. I'm curious, exactly how does the condition of a woman's cervical mucous relate to her personality characteristics? And with the timing before ovulation... are you saying that more dominant women tend to have intercourse the right number of days before ovulating? Do they have some special way of knowing exactly when they are going to ovulate that other women don't have (other than those ovulation predictor tests, which only tell you like the day of ovulation and not several days before) Additionally, a healthy male would have to ejaculate more than once a day in order to have a huge affect on his sperm count, and that would affect all sperm, X or Y. I get what you're trying to say (I think), but your reasoning seems flawed. I would like to see the scientific evidence to back your claim.
First of all, I didn't do the research. I noticed something, and later read some things that for me, seemed to back up what I had noticed. I'm not a scientist, but I do understand what scientific method is. I never said that I used it. I think it's useful in the hard sciences.

As I said in another post, my background is more in the social sciences. And with this post, and the thrashing I am taking because of it, I can see the inerrant problem of "self reporting."

Also, this is not my dissertation. This is a post on a forum. I posted to share something that I have observed. And for the fun of it. I would really like to share my observations, but if everyone is going to be defensive, or attack me, it's not fun anymore.

My reasoning is not flawed. My observations, and the records that I have kept casually over the years have born this theory out. There is something to it.

I think I forgot how defensive some folks can be about traits that are generally thought of as "masculine" or "feminine." The more everyone protests and the more angry they become, the more I think that I might be on to something.

Scientists I have known personally have thought that there "seemed to be something to it." They all had daughters, BTW, with out Johns Hopkins PhD referring to himself as a "daughter machine."
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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I fit your theory. DH, while not passive, is definitely more calm than I am. He is the anchor in my stormy sea. Interesting read!
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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Utter nonsense, in my opinion.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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My understanding is that independent researchers have had difficulty replicating Shettels' reported success rates, although there are couples who swear by his method. I'm having difficulty finding a description of personality traits being linked to gender selection from his work. Could you point me in the right direction for a source for that?
Shettels himself did not write about that or discover it. He did infer certain things and wrote about circumstances surrounding conception that caused me to draw some inferences that would appear to have some validity to anyone with an open mind.

I'd be happy to share them but I don't want to do so if everyone wants to attack or ridicule my observations.
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