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Old 05-24-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Nelly Nomad View Post
Since the original story link is broken, I didn't read the original story. That being said, the young man probably WAS invited. He just wasn't invited by dad. As part of the family, doesn't daughter have the right to invite guests into the home?

As a side note, with all this attention to the young man, where's the outrage at daughter? She's no innocent young thing if she's been inviting young stud into her room for a year. I'd have more words for her than I would for the "horndog".

At the very least, what was she doing while dad was chasing her friend? Just standing there, looking stupid? Or was she screaming "Nooooo, Daddy!! Don't!!!" In which case, dad would KNOW the young man was a guest. Perhaps an unwelcome guest (from Dad's perspective) but a guest nonetheless.
It's been pointed out earlier in the thread -- minor aged children don't really have any right to invite in anyone against the homeowner's wishes.

Until you are paying rent or mortgage, you don't have a house to invite anyone into. Just like a child predator cannot say he came into the house and raped a child because the child invited him in.

Two issues here -- unwanted intruder, guests use the front door, not the child's bedroom windows, and statutory rape. A minor child cannot give consent.

 
Old 05-24-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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Teach your horndog son from breaking into other people's houses to hump their daughters and there won't be any problem.

So you beware. Your son has no business in anyone's house uninvited.

My son is a child. A sweet child that I'm not spending my life raising so a crazed idiot can harm if they're daughter invites him into her house.

Sinse I know of many people and loads of boys when I grew up who all climbed into girls windows, "the inviters" windows that is, it would be very difficult to "teach" my son not to do it. But just like the man in this story may have "taught" his daughter not to have sex, KIDS don't always listen.

If someone wanted so harm my son, if he choses not to listen, like millions of boys all over the world, I will harm back and I'm not joking. You can make all the comments you want, but you'll be dead, and I won't mind going to prison after you harm my son, get it?

However, I will teach my son to stay away from girls with nutcase uneducated crazy fathers who may try to kill him. He needs a girl with a family and a father will be good to him, just like my boyfriend needed when I was in highschool. He doesn't need to reproduce "crazy' genes.

I'm also going to teach him to NEVER have sex at a girls house. I will also instruct him that if he choses to do it in the car, do it a long long way from any girls father, and also to park somewhere the father will never find him. And to NEVER EVER do it where a father will have any chance of ever catching him. Just in case the father is crazy and he doesn't know it.

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Old 05-24-2009, 10:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
It's been pointed out earlier in the thread -- minor aged children don't really have any right to invite in anyone against the homeowner's wishes.

Until you are paying rent or mortgage, you don't have a house to invite anyone into. Just like a child predator cannot say he came into the house and raped a child because the child invited him in.

Two issues here -- unwanted intruder, guests use the front door, not the child's bedroom windows, and statutory rape. A minor child cannot give consent.
Minor children? When a kid hits 15-16 they're almost an adult, and they won't be in your controling cluthes much longer, so you'd better start treating them as such.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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And if you break into my house after you find your horndog son has been beaten and castrated, you too will suffer the fate of an unwanted intruder.

What you really ought to do if it's not too late is teach your son some manners and what love means. Teen love means knocking on the front door, shaking hands with a girls father and respecting her enough to have her home by the time her father says he wants her home.

Keep in mind that a boy who has zero respect for a girl will have zero respect for her family. He's only interested in getting his rocks off -- that isn't love at all.

Excuse me?
Well, if your horndog daughter breaks into my house, she'll be beaten and sexually mutilated, and if you've got a problem with that, you'll suffer the same fate.


Or, alternately, we could all try to be adults about the situation, and realize that teens invite one another over to their houses sometimes, and that sometimes teens have sex. It's pretty disturbing to hear alleged adults threatening to mutilate one another's children for engaging in something that we all know is normal teenage behavior, that we probably all engaged in ourselves when we were teenagers.

In fact, when my son was living with his dad last year, his dad did catch him with a girl in his room; my son was encouraging his girlfriend to sneak in his window at night and have sex with him, while he was on house arrest, no less.
His father chased the girl away when he caught them, but he saved the majority of his anger for my son, who he knew was the instigator of the situation.
Basically, if you find another teenager in your teen's room, you can be pretty sure that your teen summoned them there, and that your teen is to blame.
All the other kid did was respond to an invitation. The person you should be angry at, if you find your teen having sex in his or her room with another teen, is your teen.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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It's been pointed out earlier in the thread -- minor aged children don't really have any right to invite in anyone against the homeowner's wishes.

Until you are paying rent or mortgage, you don't have a house to invite anyone into. Just like a child predator cannot say he came into the house and raped a child because the child invited him in.

Two issues here -- unwanted intruder, guests use the front door, not the child's bedroom windows, and statutory rape. A minor child cannot give consent.
Did the young man "break" in or was he "let" in? While I'm not condoning his actions, I am saying that young lady (and I'm being VERY generous in using that term) is at least HALF responsible. Under the circumstances, in my opinion, dad overreacted toward the 'horndog".
 
Old 05-24-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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Wow! I went through and read all the posts just to be sure that I wasn't missing something. This isn't the dark ages people. I couldn't read the original story but from what I gather the boy had been sneaking in for at least a year?! And the father had no idea who this boy was or that his daughter had a boyfriend?! Come on. Does this guy pay any attention to his daughter at all. Maybe he should have whacked himself instead for having no input into his kids life whatsoever.

Kids can invite people into their homes without parental consent, there is no law against it. You can send the kid away and tell him never to come back when you find out about it. Then if he comes back you can say he is tresspassing but to say he is tresspassing because you or your spouse did not invite him, your child did, is ludacris.

Beating the kid for having sex with his daughter is acting like a caveman and he should have been thrown in jail. They both should have been in big trouble but uninjured. Believing she was being raped by some unknown intruder is hogwash. I think that was just his story to get out of trouble.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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Jane, Skahar, can't give you official reps again so soon, so here's a public "thumb's up" for your responses.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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My son is a child. A sweet child that I'm not spending my life raising so a crazed idiot can harm if they're daughter invites him into her house.

Sinse I know of many people and loads of boys when I grew up who all climbed into girls windows, "the inviters" windows that is, it would be very difficult to "teach" my son not to do it. But just like the man in this story may have "taught" his daughter not to have sex, KIDS don't always listen.

If someone wanted so harm my son, if he choses not to listen, like millions of boys all over the world, I will harm back and I'm not joking. You can make all the comments you want, but you'll be dead, and I won't mind going to prison after you harm my son, get it?

However, I will teach my son to stay away from girls with nutcase uneducated crazy fathers who may try to kill him. He needs a girl with a family and a father will be good to him, just like my boyfriend needed when I was in highschool. He doesn't need to reproduce "crazy' genes.

I'm also going to teach him to NEVER have sex at a girls house. I will also instruct him that if he choses to do it in the car, do it a long long way from any girls father, and also to park somewhere the father will never find him. And to NEVER EVER do it where a father will have any chance of ever catching him. Just in case the father is crazy and he doesn't know it.
Let's just hope your husband teaches your little precious son something better than you plan to teach him.

It sounds like your "boyfriend" took off and instead of realizing that the open window wasn't about love at all, you want to blame your father instead of realizing what all that was really all about. Your father cared about you, the boyfriends coming in and out of the window did not. Your father also didn't owe your lovers a job.

As far as your son, his own father, not father of a girl he's boinking is who needs to be good to him. Get it out of your head that girls' fathers owe your son anything and you'll be less disappointed.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Wow! I went through and read all the posts just to be sure that I wasn't missing something. This isn't the dark ages people. I couldn't read the original story but from what I gather the boy had been sneaking in for at least a year?! And the father had no idea who this boy was or that his daughter had a boyfriend?! Come on. Does this guy pay any attention to his daughter at all. Maybe he should have whacked himself instead for having no input into his kids life whatsoever.

Kids can invite people into their homes without parental consent, there is no law against it. You can send the kid away and tell him never to come back when you find out about it. Then if he comes back you can say he is tresspassing but to say he is tresspassing because you or your spouse did not invite him, your child did, is ludacris.

Beating the kid for having sex with his daughter is acting like a caveman and he should have been thrown in jail. They both should have been in big trouble but uninjured. Believing she was being raped by some unknown intruder is hogwash. I think that was just his story to get out of trouble.

It's not about dark ages. There are parents who don't really give a damn about their children and parents that do.

To some of you, the girl's father could have stood there with a camera snapping pictures to sell on a child porn web and you'd be happier than knowing this father wanted some respect for his daughter.

Yes, the father realized too late. He should have been more attentive and beat the naked intruder the first night he broke in.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:02 PM
 
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It's not about dark ages. There are parents who don't really give a damn about their children and parents that do.

To some of you, the girl's father could have stood there with a camera snapping pictures to sell on a child porn web and you'd be happier than knowing this father wanted some respect for his daughter.

Yes, the father realized too late. He should have been more attentive and beat the naked intruder the first night he broke in.

The father is getting what he deserves, serious charges. And the poor daughter, the boy may have loved her, but her father splitting his head with a pipe was more than likely a deal breaker. Poor girl, she's going to need therapy the rest of her life.

When you make a scene you're drawing attention to the daughter and now everyone within 200 miles, including everyone at her school will know she's sleeping with her boyfriend because of what happened. If the father had told the boy to get dressed and get out, then spoke with her like a normal person, no one else would have known.

They don't write songs like these for no reason. This song is about 2 teens sneaking around behind the daugther's father's back, and having sex.

And instead of this girl in the article getting the happy ending like the song, her story will end with "my crazy insane father ruined my life, and I got dumped because of it".

Taylor Swift "Love Story"

We were both young when I first saw you
I close my eyes
And the flashback starts
I'm standing there
On a balcony in summer air
See the lights
See the party, the ball gowns
I see you make your way through the crowd
And say hello, little did I know

That you were Romeo, you were throwing pebbles
And my daddy said stay away from Juliet
And I was crying on the staircase
Begging you please don't go, and I said
Romeo take me somewhere we can be alone
I'll be waiting all there's left to do is run
You'll be the prince and I'll be the princess
It's a love story baby just say yes

So I sneak out to the garden to see you
We keep quiet 'cause we're dead if they knew
So close your eyes
Escape this town for a little while

'Cause you were Romeo, I was a scarlet letter
And my daddy said stay away from Juliet
But you were everything to me
I was begging you please don't go and I said

Romeo take me somewhere we can be alone
I'll be waiting all there's left to do is run
You'll be the prince and I'll be the princess

Romeo save me, they try to tell me how to feel
This love is difficult, but it's real
Don't be afraid, we'll make it out of this mess
It's a love story baby just say yes
Oh oh

I got tired of waiting
Wondering if you were ever coming around
My faith in you was fading
When I met you on the outskirts of town, and I said

Romeo save me I've been feeling so alone
I keep waiting for you but you never come
Is this in my head? I don't know what to think
He knelt to the ground and pulled out a ring

And said, marry me Juliet
You'll never have to be alone
I love you and that's all I really know
I talked to your dad, go pick out a white dress
It's a love story baby just say yes

Oh, oh, oh, oh
'Cause we were both young when I first saw you...

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