cap and trade being voted TODAY! NO! (Progress, Republic: new home, to buy)
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It passed in the House. Our only hope is the Senate voting it down. Inhoff said it won't pass in the Senate. Plenty of pork will be handed out by Obama to buy off the dissenters. I'm sure Specter and Casey will vote for it. If it passes, it's the end.
Pelosi was promoting it as a jobs bill when it is just the opposite. 300 pages of amendments was attached by the democrats during the night that no one had the chance to read. Many of the attachments deal with programs to support the 22 million jobs which will be lost.
The only jobs that will be created will be in China and India that were U.S. jobs. Businesses will not be able to afford to stay here. Electric rates will almost double along with all forms of energy. Farms will disappear due to the high cost of fertilizer, etc.
Call Specter and Casey and tell them to vote 'No.' Congress is supposed to represent us, not the globalists such as the CFR and UN who wrote this monstrosity.
If this passes, we'll definitely became a third-world banana republic.
If you are really interested in understanding cap and trade - there are plenty of articles online discussing the concept. You'll find partisan twisted articles plentiful on both sides if that is all you are looking for.
Either you believe in protecting the environment or you don't. Some companies may leave for what they believe are greener pastures in developing 3rd world countries but their losses will be minimal & they will be more than offset by the jobs that will be created in the green sector. The truth of the matter is that there is likely going to be a minimal change in the nations economy over this but if these companies are allowed to continue to operate with no regard toward emissions the threat to the environment & mankind's future existence is very real.
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Some reports have warned about dire consequences if cap-and-trade legislation is passed. However, scientists say the risks of doing nothing could result in greater economic harm, if predictions of the consequences of global warming turn out to be true, including major changes in weather patterns, and rising sea levels.
This also has very little negative effect on the Northeastern US as every company that is was likely to leave has already done so. If anything, the Northeast stands to gain the most through job creation if this is passed.
To claim that this will turn the US into "a third-world banana republic" is ridiculous.
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If you are really interested in understanding cap and trade - there are plenty of articles online discussing the concept. You'll find partisan twisted articles plentiful on both sides if that is all you are looking for.
Either you believe in protecting the environment or you don't. Some companies may leave for what they believe are greener pastures in developing 3rd world countries but their losses will be minimal & they will be more than offset by the jobs that will be created in the green sector. The truth of the matter is that there is likely going to be a minimal change in the nations economy over this but if these companies are allowed to continue to operate with no regard toward emissions the threat to the environment & mankind's future existence is very real.
This also has very little negative effect on the Northeastern US as every company that is was likely to leave has already done so. If anything, the Northeast stands to gain the most through job creation if this is passed.
To claim that this will turn the US into "a third-world banana republic" is ridiculous.
I have several questions for you.
Did you watch the House debate on C-Span?
If so many jobs are going to be created, why is there 300 pages of amendments dealing with job losses?
Where are these 'green jobs' going to be created and what are they?
Why is the Banana Republic comparison ridiculous? We're almost there now.
Henry 'Nostrilsdumbass' Waxman wrote the bill and he said he doesn't even know what's in it.
Jobs will have to be created to regulate & monitor the emissions or manufacturing as well as to implement programs & systems to lower their emissions. They will also be created in further development, installation, operation & maintenance of green energy sources & bio fuels as the nation moves away from big oil & dirty coal. For years the US has talked big about "going green" but the reality is that we have yet to even scratch the surface. The potential for job creation once we go "all in" is enormous.
To claim that we are going to be or almost are "a third-world banana republic" is ridiculous. It shows that 1) you have never actually been to a 3rd world country & have no idea how bad they actually are & 2) you have clearly been brainwashed by Rush, Hannity & O'Reilly.
I haven't seen anything that claims the bill has 300 pages devoted to job losses. If you are referring to the 300 pages added late last week well that's not what they are about, maybe you should actually read them for yourself instead of letting Rush & the countless RW blogger's tell you what the hot rumor of the day is ......
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf (broken link)
What Waxman said was ........
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"Well, I certainly don't claim to know everything that's in this bill. I know that we relied very heavily on the scientists of the IPCC [the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] and others and the consensus that they have that there is a problem of global warming, it's having an impact, and we need to try to reduce it by the amounts that they think we need to achieve in order to avoid some of the consequences. That's what I know, but I don't know the details, I rely on the scientists."
Its seems like the right is once again taking something out of context & making a bigger issue out of it than what it really is. Personally, I have no problem with a politician deferring environmental details to a scientist.
The only issue I have with the bill is that I'm not convinced it will do enough to regulate the biggest polluters. I would have preferred the 20% reduction that was originally proposed.
Jobs will have to be created to regulate & monitor the emissions or manufacturing as well as to implement programs & systems to lower their emissions. They will also be created in further development, installation, operation & maintenance of green energy sources & bio fuels as the nation moves away from big oil & dirty coal. For years the US has talked big about "going green" but the reality is that we have yet to even scratch the surface. The potential for job creation once we go "all in" is enormous.
How will there be any of those jobs if all the energy producers and manufacturers move offshore?
The potential for job losses is huge.
I suggest doing your research and looking at what Spain has done with cap and tax and how it has put them into a national disaster.
Coal as it done now is not "dirty".
There is nothing in this bill that protects the environment.
All it is, is a tax scheme to layer every transaction made in the USA with more taxes and it creates another layer of worthless bureaucrats. Not to mention all the corruption that is going to go on.
This program is right out of the USSR and if it passes I'm going to fight it and if that fails I'll be leaving the country. I'm not living under tyranny.
I see the GOP still has their "Govern by Fear" hold on some.
Spain has had some issues but the system has been far from a total failure. You also fail to mention that for every Spain there is a Sweden ................
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Sweden adopted a carbon tax in 1991. According to a 2000 report for the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development: "The most obvious effect of the carbon tax has been an increased use of biomass in the Swedish district heating system… The demand for biomass has encouraged the development of new methods for utilizing wood fuels which in turn has led to price reductions on these fuels." The Swedish government estimates that CO2 emissions were 20 to 25 percent lower in 2000 than they would have been without the tax, indicating that the policy was a success.
You don't follow a failed plan, hopefully our politicians (and those that they choose to head up the system) have enough sense to see what has worked around the world & base our system on that.
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Jobs will have to be created to regulate & monitor the emissions or manufacturing as well as to implement programs & systems to lower their emissions. They will also be created in further development, installation, operation & maintenance of green energy sources & bio fuels as the nation moves away from big oil & dirty coal. For years the US has talked big about "going green" but the reality is that we have yet to even scratch the surface. The potential for job creation once we go "all in" is enormous.
All paid for by borrowed Federal money and American taxpayers(those who are left) with a massive takeover by the Fereral government.
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To claim that we are going to be or almost are "a third-world banana republic" is ridiculous. It shows that 1) you have never actually been to a 3rd world country & have no idea how bad they actually are & 2) you have clearly been brainwashed by Rush, Hannity & O'Reilly.
I rarely watch those people
You've been brainwashed by Obermann and MSNBC.
Eventually poverty will overwhelm government programs so much that it will be like a third world country. There won't be enough taxpayers left to support the welfare state.
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I haven't seen anything that claims the bill has 300 pages devoted to job losses. If you are referring to the 300 pages added late last week well that's not what they are about, maybe you should actually read them for yourself instead of letting Rush & the countless RW blogger's tell you what the hot rumor of the day is ......
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf (broken link)
Again, you didn't watch the debate on C-Span.
What Waxman said was ........
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Its seems like the right is once again taking something out of context & making a bigger issue out of it than what it really is. Personally, I have no problem with a politician deferring environmental details to a scientist.
I do, if it's a UN Scientist. More man made global warming propaganda. But Al Gore is a great unbiased scientist.
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The only issue I have with the bill is that I'm not convinced it will do enough to regulate the biggest polluters. I would have preferred the 20% reduction that was originally proposed.
Your other issue is probably that it doesn't disarm Americans.
Why do you secular progressives hate freedom and liberty as much as you do?
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You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
I see the GOP still has their "Govern by Fear" hold on some.
Spain has had some issues but the system has been far from a total failure. You also fail to mention that for every Spain there is a Sweden ................
You don't follow a failed plan, hopefully our politicians (and those that they choose to head up the system) have enough sense to see what has worked around the world & base our system on that.
Sweden is one hell of a mess right now.
Spain is looking at getting rid of what it has been doing. It failed.
Spain is looking at getting rid of what it has been doing. It failed.
Sweden is a socialist state with cradle to grave nanny state care where even vitamins are illegal. The Swedes never invent anything because everything is owned by the government so the people have no incentive to be entrepreneurs. The citizens are taxed to death. People like jblake78728 want to bring that same system to the U.S.
Spain has admitted what a huge blunder their Cap and Trade system is and it's now suspended because of all the damage it did to the economy. Secular Progressives like jblake78728 want to bring the US economy to its knees with big government. Those people despise freedom, personal responsibility, and individualism.
Buried in the bill is a provision that mandates docks for electric cars in all new homes. It even regulates what you can do with your leaves when they fall in the autumn. I watched the debate and I found out all the crap that's in the bill. jblake78728 is obviously getting his info from the Daily Kos and Air America.
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