ASU economists say we'll grow when our leaders stop looking stupid" (Phoenix: insurance, neighborhoods)

[john3232]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

... But let's not forget a lot of families were then kept together because women had no escape as they had no claims on wages and no real career options.

Sure, you can say that but reasons for a woman being a stay-home mom or not really aren't a major factor in this instance. The problem (and it's a big one) is kids having kids. A 17 year old or even someone 21 is going to have a hard enough time taking care of themselves much less two children while on their own.

[jdahunt]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Okay, instead of throwing around numbers and misleading adjectives, you tell us -- factually -- how many people from Illinois did move to Arizona for a specific period of time?

More than Arizonan's have moved to Illinois...that is for sure....and it will continue.

Not my fault you misread facts.....so was I right or was I right about Illinois having a net negative migration....of course I was right.

[jdahunt]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

I think the most important thing is that they dare speak up now. The Arizona Center for Policy is slowly losing the monopoly on truth and legislature here.

It doesn't help when the basis for their words isn't accurate.....how can one say that Arizona is being negatively impacted and not growing when the fact is Arizona is attracting more people and companies....at a higher rate than most other states....thats the interesting part.

Arizona led the country in the housing recovery.....why was that....I think the political leadership deserves a lot of that credit for not enacting laws that would have delayed and prolonged it such as other states did.

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by cacto

Wow, just read through the last 6 pages of posts and was struck by how many posters are completely oblivious to how AZ is perceived nationally. I assume it's the way Americans only get their news from sources that tell them what they want to hear.

Went to Boston last summer and was slightly surprised by how many "Boycott Arizona" bumper stickers I saw. My favorite was "Arizona; it's a dry hate". Saw a "End Juan Crow" shirt too with the outline of AZ.

Interesting you should talk about news sources that tell people what they want to hear.....kind of sounds like those people with those bumper stickers in other states got a one way dose of that from their own "side" of what they want to hear also, yes? And you can bet they know people in AZ, have visited here several times to form such a strong opinion to want to stick a piece of paper on their car and drive around with their views on it.

And isn't that the definition of prejudice, paint an entire group, in this case a state, with a broad brush believing everyone has a same belief? Talk about ignorance to the nth degree.

And most importantly....why do you feel it important to comment on something silly like a bumper sticker? If I commented on all the bumper stickers I've seen in every state I've lived/visited(that's most of them) that had heated comments on them about this/that/the other thing, I'd be a billionaire by now.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Well, I know what you're saying, but I often saw education valued MORE in Black families than in lower and middle class white families.

No doubt that is true. However, the overall the test scores/drop out rate point out a different picture. I think in Cal. the AA drop out rate is around is 50%. The numbers are staggering and unfortunately the Hispanic stats. aren't much better. If the numbers were spread equally across racial lines I'm sure this would be easier to address.

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Do you really want to compare the education of the audience of the Daily Show to those who watch Rush Limbaugh? It's not a coincidence that Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck lack college degrees. John Stewart graduated from William and Mary.

Funny!!!

I don't know....I think we'd do better comparing something more of value, like who's our favorite cartoon, Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck?

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by jdahunt

It doesn't help when the basis for their words isn't accurate.....how can one say that Arizona is being negatively impacted and not growing when the fact is Arizona is attracting more people and companies....at a higher rate than most other states....thats the interesting part.

Arizona led the country in the housing recovery.....why was that....I think the political leadership deserves a lot of that credit for not enacting laws that would have delayed and prolonged it such as other states did.

There seems considerable concern in the AZ realtor community that net migration to AZ has stopped and the reasoning is our extremist politics. I have no current data at hand (census data is always way behind) but I think they have more current data there particularly with a data junkie as head. A stop in net migration in a recovery would be unprecedented and it would take a massive change in perception of Arizona for this to come about. So either they are crying wolf there for nothing or our extremist politicians have wrought unprecedented damage to our state. Time will tell.

[jdahunt]

As long as Arizona has nice weather in January there is going to be a positive net migration....in fact I think it will be increasing due to one of the worst winters in modern times in places such as Illinois just experienced....a few more of those and it will be a flood.

Ran across this story for those that think you have it so bad.....really makes you look around and wonder if the grass really is greener on the otherside...scroll down to read the story.

Immigration Doesn't Lie: California's Boom Is Over - Investors.com

ps.....each year there is a positive net migration do you also blame that on your "extremist politics"...or do you blame California's and Illinois's net migration loss on their "extremist politics"...I think not.

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by jdahunt

It doesn't help when the basis for their words isn't accurate.....how can one say that Arizona is being negatively impacted and not growing when the fact is Arizona is attracting more people and companies....at a higher rate than most other states....thats the interesting part.

Arizona led the country in the housing recovery.....why was that....I think the political leadership deserves a lot of that credit for not enacting laws that would have delayed and prolonged it such as other states did.

There seems considerable concern in the AZ realtor community that net migration to AZ has stopped and the reasoning is our extremist politics. I have no current data at hand (census data is always way behind) but I think they have more current data there particularly with a data junkie as head. A stop in net migration in a recovery would be unprecedented and it would take a massive change in perception of Arizona for this to come about. So either they are crying wolf there for nothing or our extremist politicians have wrought unprecedented damage to our state. Time will tell.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by john3232

No doubt that is true. However, the overall the test scores/drop out rate point out a different picture. I think in Cal. the AA drop out rate is around is 50%. The numbers are staggering and unfortunately the Hispanic stats. aren't much better. If the numbers were spread equally across racial lines I'm sure this would be easier to address.

I agree. But I'm trying to relate that it isn't just a racial situation. Perhaps it is more an economic factor.