Phoenix metro is getting too big IMO (Tempe, Surprise: to live in, restaurant)

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by stevek64

But we need lots more higher end jobs on top of what we have now to populate the region even more some say.

People complaining about the crowds/we are "too big" now haven't seen anything yet if that comes to pass. Be careful what you wish for as often it's a double edged sword.

Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine. Better to attract talent over leisure.

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine. Better to attract talent over leisure.

I agree. I just think those who think we are too big/we shouldn't grow bigger yet want more educated job growth are asking for something that can't exist. Personally I accept the Phoenix metro is a big metro and I have no problem with that or it getting bigger for that matter. If I had a problem with that, I would move. And there are plenty of outskirt areas close to the metro/on the edges where one can live in a place that feels much smaller yet have the convenience of what a big metro offers close by. Of course some of those edges eventually become more of the center but that's reality in a metro like ours that is growing/has been growing at a good clip and will be growing far into the future.

[AZ_Rookie]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine. Better to attract talent over leisure.

^^^ it's easy to say (and think) - when it's not reality...

As a native born SoCal resident, having seen the demise in CA (statewide).... I can tell you first hand - uncontrolled "growth" is a complete detriment - and all "native" Maricopa residents will be squawking about over-regulated, high taxes, excessive crowds, Unbearable traffic (trust me when I tell you it can be MUCH worse)... There's more - but let's not make this is reality fest...

1) learn the political and social ramifications of your brilliant ideas... This includes not being so self-righteous as to think your ideas haven't been tried.

2) be smart enough to realize and accept - some ideas have been tried and failed.

3) DO NOT follow the CA plan - bulldoze unsupported plans to the point of complete failure.

4) Recognize, accept, and embrace the experience of those before you.

5) - MOST MPORTANT - Don't take Freedom for Granted. Remain invloved - lack of concern will change your life beyond repair.

Some will understand and accept... Some will squawk in defiance... All will live with their decision.

Be smart.

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by AZ_Rookie

^^^ it's easy to say (and think) - when it's not reality...

As a native born SoCal resident, having seen the demise in CA (statewide).... I can tell you first hand - uncontrolled "growth" is a complete detriment - and all "native" Maricopa residents will be squawking about over-regulated, high taxes, excessive crowds, Unbearable traffic (trust me when I tell you it can be MUCH worse)... There's more - but let's not make this is reality fest...

1) learn the political and social ramifications of your brilliant ideas... This includes not being so self-righteous as to think your ideas haven't been tried.

2) be smart enough to realize and accept - some ideas have been tried and failed.

3) DO NOT follow the CA plan - bulldoze unsupported plans to the point of complete failure.

4) Recognize, accept, and embrace the experience of those before you.

5) - MOST MPORTANT - Don't take Freedom for Granted. Remain invloved - lack of concern will change your life beyond repair.

Some will understand and accept... Some will squawk in defiance... All will live with their decision.

Be smart.

Good post. Growth but smart measured slow growth, don't get impatient and look for it all to happen yesterday. I think the wise old wall street saying says it best:

Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by AZ_Rookie

^^^ it's easy to say (and think) - when it's not reality...

As a native born SoCal resident, having seen the demise in CA (statewide).... I can tell you first hand - uncontrolled "growth" is a complete detriment - and all "native" Maricopa residents will be squawking about over-regulated, high taxes, excessive crowds, Unbearable traffic (trust me when I tell you it can be MUCH worse)... There's more - but let's not make this is reality fest...

1) learn the political and social ramifications of your brilliant ideas... This includes not being so self-righteous as to think your ideas haven't been tried.

2) be smart enough to realize and accept - some ideas have been tried and failed.

3) DO NOT follow the CA plan - bulldoze unsupported plans to the point of complete failure.

4) Recognize, accept, and embrace the experience of those before you.

5) - MOST MPORTANT - Don't take Freedom for Granted. Remain invloved - lack of concern will change your life beyond repair.

Some will understand and accept... Some will squawk in defiance... All will live with their decision.

Be smart.

I don't see how this runs counter to my post. The post is written as if it's a counter post, warning people who don't know any better. It merely expands on my post.

Attracting talent is part of a smart growth plan. As a Phoenix native I can tell you about uncontrolled growth centered around warm weather and cheap housing.

Phoenix will always grow, so long as it can, talent attraction is better for the city's health than people looking to escape the snow, or find a cheap California.

I'm fine with Phoenix growing, so long as it's up and not exclusively montonous sprawl.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine. Better to attract talent over leisure.

If Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine then can someone explain the last decade? The growth has slowed to a trickle... Our current population increases are mere fractions of what they used to be and nobody sees it coming back anytime soon. It's time to rethink how we grow here and focus on jobs over simply adding people.

[sexxxcblac]

Originally Posted by locolife

If Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine then can someone explain the last decade? The growth has slowed to a trickle... Our current population increases are mere fractions of what they used to be and nobody sees it coming back anytime soon. It's time to rethink how we grow here and focus on jobs over simply adding people.

Somebody else take this one I'm going to enjoy the fireworks !

[Java Jolt]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

I don't see how this runs counter to my post. The post is written as if it's a counter post, warning people who don't know any better. It merely expands on my post.

Attracting talent is part of a smart growth plan. As a Phoenix native I can tell you about uncontrolled growth centered around warm weather and cheap housing.

Phoenix will always grow, so long as it can, talent attraction is better for the city's health than people looking to escape the snow, or find a cheap California.

I'm fine with Phoenix growing, so long as it's up and not exclusively montonous sprawl.

Very well-written.

One point to remember is every metropolitan area has sprawl, even the eastern metros like New York, Boston, Washington, and Philadelphia.

Those areas are very dense in the core cities and some of the inner-ring suburbs, but outside of there it's sprawl galore.

Phoenix has a pretty good mix of urbanity and suburban sprawl with a greater emphasis on the latter and I think the urban density will continue to expand in the near future.

[new2colo]

Originally Posted by locolife

If Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine then can someone explain the last decade? The growth has slowed to a trickle... Our current population increases are mere fractions of what they used to be and nobody sees it coming back anytime soon. It's time to rethink how we grow here and focus on jobs over simply adding people.

Agreed. Growth in Phoenix has slowed tremendously. You would think that slower growth would lead to an adjustment in the thought process of city leaders and MAG about our future, but it is not. There are too many salivating, thinking that 2003-2007 growth levels are coming back. They are gone. For decades. Buckeye, Goodyear, Queen Creek, Avondale, San Tan Valley are not growing by leaps and bounds any time soon. It's strange how some people ignore reality just because they see a handful of homes being built and a road being widened.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by locolife

If Phoenix is a perpetual growth machine then can someone explain the last decade? The growth has slowed to a trickle... Our current population increases are mere fractions of what they used to be and nobody sees it coming back anytime soon. It's time to rethink how we grow here and focus on jobs over simply adding people.

Originally Posted by new2colo

Agreed. Growth in Phoenix has slowed tremendously. You would think that slower growth would lead to an adjustment in the thought process of city leaders and MAG about our future, but it is not. There are too many salivating, thinking that 2003-2007 growth levels are coming back. They are gone. For decades. Buckeye, Goodyear, Queen Creek, Avondale, San Tan Valley are not growing by leaps and bounds any time soon. It's strange how some people ignore reality just because they see a handful of homes being built and a road being widened.

See how Phoenix and Arizona stack up in latest Census populations - The Laughton Team

Phoenix also ranked fifth in numeric population growth, adding nearly 25,000 new residents in 2015 over 2014. The city fell behind San Antonio, Texas (29,536), the city of Los Angeles (34,943), Houston (40,032) and New York City (55,211). Texas had five of the top 15 with Fort Worth, Dallas and Austin placing behind Phoenix.

Two Valley cities, Buckeye and Goodyear ranked 14 and 15 in the nation in population growth rate, both at 4.3 percent. Queen Creek also had a 4.3 percent growth rate, but the top 15 list is based on cities with populations over 50,000.

In the years between 2000 and 2010, those glorious years we'll never see again, Phoenix averaged approx 11,000 year over year.