11-27-2008, 07:48 PM
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Reality? We live here and are reasonably happy about it............the cold reality is that you dislike the Phx area. less (a lot of DC's problems in my eyes are due to its foul weather).
Well, I live here and am reasonably UNHAPPY and that just happens to be reality too. Egads, don't you EVER get tired of all of the Phoenix promoters on this board? Considering the traffic and pollution and water issue? Why is everyone so freakin' pollyanna? I just don't get it. It is somewhat akin to pod people or body snatchers. Yikes. And, furthermore, no doubt someone will come along and shut this thread down now because someone is speaking her mind. I swear, this sub fora is the strangest!
11-27-2008, 08:36 PM
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Well, I live here and am reasonably UNHAPPY and that just happens to be reality too. Egads, don't you EVER get tired of all of the Phoenix promoters on this board? Considering the traffic and pollution and water issue? Why is everyone so freakin' pollyanna? I just don't get it. It is somewhat akin to pod people or body snatchers. Yikes. And, furthermore, no doubt someone will come along and shut this thread down now because someone is speaking her mind. I swear, this sub fora is the strangest!
11-27-2008, 08:47 PM
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I've been here over five years and don't know where "downtown" is, even though I work on Central Ave. IOW, there is no downtown here. There is just suburb after suburb with a few high rises spinkled here and there.
Here is a video that definitely shows a good side of PHX downtown. It's kind of long but the first 5 mins really show PHX has a pretty cool downtown with lots going on.
44 Monroe
Take it with a grain (or several) of salt, but after watching it try and make an argument there is NO DOWNTOWN WHATSOEVER.
It sounds you are pretty unhappy about your experience in PHX. Why if you are so frustrated don't you either 1) move or 2) do something about it? People (or at least myself) are happy based on the company they keep. Maybe there a lot of people in PHX that you cannot relate to. However, if out of 4 MILLION PEOPLE you cant find people that you enjoy I would venture to say the problem maybe isn't the other 3,999,999 people.
11-27-2008, 08:48 PM
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Here is a video that definitely shows a good side of PHX downtown. It's kind of long but the first 5 mins really show PHX has a pretty cool downtown with lots going on.
44 Monroe
Take it with a grain (or several) of salt, but after watching it try and make an argument there is NO DOWNTOWN WHATSOEVER.
It sounds you are pretty unhappy about your experience in PHX. Why if you are so frustrated don't you either 1) move or 2) do something about it? People (or at least myself) are happy based on the company they keep. Maybe there a lot of people in PHX that you cannot relate to. However, if out of 4 MILLION PEOPLE you cant find people that you enjoy I would venture to say the problem maybe isn't the other 3,999,999 people.
It's quite simple. Money. Do you not get the realities of houses that don't sell? I should not have to explain this. And if one is used to a world class city, as I am, there IS no downtown here. Save your video.
11-27-2008, 08:50 PM
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Such a thoughtful response and why I have this disdain for living here. C'mon. Give it that above 100 IQ try, will ya?
11-28-2008, 06:47 AM
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Such a thoughtful response and why I have this disdain for living here. C'mon. Give it that above 100 IQ try, will ya?
Leave. If it means taking a hit on your house..............oh well.
Your slams and putdowns of the Phx area are starting to become quite annoying
I am no fan of the SF Bay area myself due in large part to its obscene housing prices: that stated; some folks like it there and will accept the attendant drawbacks. Besides: SF is fading as a 'world class' city..........the baton was passed to LA a while back.
11-28-2008, 10:14 AM
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And if one is used to a world class city, as I am, there IS no downtown here. Save your video.
What kind of suburb that you have seen looks like this...
I have not lived in one of the world class cities, but have visited many of them many times. I know what you mean when you compare their downtowns to Phoenix's, there really is no comparison. But that still doesn't mean we have
no downtown. Obviously we do just by the buildings and layouts of the place. Is it lacking? Definitely. Where San Francisco may be a 10 on the list, Phoenix is a 1...but it's still something and it can improve.
One thing I never understand is how people bash downtown Phoenix...say how there is nothing to do and no people are there, and then when people ask if they should move there, the same people say no. How do you expect people to end up living there if everyone tells them not to move there?
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hx_guy have you been to or heard anything about the executive towers? it's on 207 W Clarendon, 2 blocks from central and indian school light rail stop. it's in midtown and definitely north of downtown, but do you know about the area at all?Hip Hi-Rise Loft Condo, Roomy 1610 SF at Executive Towers (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/apa/936806738.html - broken link)
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Midtown itself is actually "nicer" then downtown in the sense that it's cleaner, theres no homeless, etc...but it doesn't have the grid layout that downtown has and therefore doesn't feel as urban. The nice thing as you pointed out is that it's only 2 blocks from the light rail station (0.4 miles) so you can definitely get around without a car and be in downtown in 5 or so minutes.
11-28-2008, 02:11 PM
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Midtown itself is actually "nicer" then downtown in the sense that it's cleaner, theres no homeless, etc...but it doesn't have the grid layout that downtown has and therefore doesn't feel as urban. The nice thing as you pointed out is that it's only 2 blocks from the light rail station (0.4 miles) so you can definitely get around without a car and be in downtown in 5 or so minutes.
thanks man, youve been great. because of your input i think i am going to try and do right downtown. (summit, 44 monroe, orpheum)
Downtown Phoenix Condos - Phoenix Lofts (http://www.azcondofinder.com/downtown_phoenix_condos.html - broken link)
http://www.weknowurban.com/Phoenix/
if you know a guy 22 - 29 that is also looking to go to a high rise downtown in may/june/july/aug let me know. itll be a trick to see if i can find someone looking to move to downtown around when i am (mid to late june) that is interested in living in a high rise. itll also be interesting to find a 2br spot for 1800 or less.
im coming down march 13 - 19 during my spring break to check it all out.
damn, this is exciting! i want to fast forward my life 6 mos.
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People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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