Photo radar worker shot...and I drove by the same van earlier! (Phoenix: attorney, tax)

[Howard Roark]

People in Phoenix do not signal, cut each other off rudely, make last minute lane changes. mostly from big redneck monster trucks. I'm tired of them. While I'm wary about privacy laws, driving on a freeway is a privilege, not a right. I love the speed cameras. Driving is more orderly now and there is more courtesy on the freeways. There are too many good-ol-boys here.

[Howard Roark]

Yes it does! Where is your logic? People upset about speed cameras SHOULD NOT BE ON THOSE ROADWAYS. Obviously those people think that speed limits are for the little people (sounds like Leona Helmsly's "taxes are for little people"). I have no sympathy for nut cases who think they are above the law.

There was one redneck who shot a worker. What you do NOT see is how many accidents were prevented because people obeyed the speed limits when they knew they are in the camera range. Traffic evenly spaced and orderly, no a$$hat trying to push another car ahead of him to go faster in the camera range.

[quote=Valley Native;8440017]I would like to add, however, that according to all the so called experts, photo radar cameras were put in place to make the freeways & streets "safer". Does this roadside murder equate to safer conditions??? Well, does it???

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[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Howard Roark

People in Phoenix do not signal, cut each other off rudely, make last minute lane changes. mostly from big redneck monster trucks. I'm tired of them. While I'm wary about privacy laws, driving on a freeway is a privilege, not a right. I love the speed cameras. Driving is more orderly now and there is more courtesy on the freeways. There are too many good-ol-boys here.

BEAUTIFULLY STATED, Howard . . . I agree with all of your points.

You label them Good-Ol-Boys and Rednecks . . . I prefer first-person-singular, arrogant, rude THUGS with absolutely no respect for the other drivers on the road.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Howard Roark

I saw the picture of that shooter in the newspaper. He looks like one friggin' redneck - is he from Alabama? I'll bet he was incited by all the nutcases out there who raged about the cams. Now look at what they did!

Speed limits are there for a reason: safety. Cams are needed in Phoenix because there are too many people who drive so fast that they are hazards to others.

I'm an extreme believer in freedom and individual liberty (voted Llibertarian most of the last 30 years). And I know if those freeways were private toll roads, the companies would still impose limits. Order on roads is important. Freeway driving is a privilege, not a right.

You sound quite authoritarian for someone who votes Libertarian! I am also a Libertarian, and while I agree with you that driving is definitely a privilege vs. a right, the notion of forcing photo radar on Arizonans without a public vote is the main thing to consider. Napolitano stepped out of bounds several times as Governor, and implementing the speed camera program was the final straw. The ironic thing is that she even ADMITTED that the cameras would boost revenue for the state considering that we're in a budget crisis. So nobody can tell me that they are there for safety when it is obvious that their sole purpose is revenue generation!

And regarding your statement about driving not being a right, that would include everybody who operates a motor vehicle. For instance, nobody has the right to drive slow on a freeway (especially in the left lane) and obstruct the general flow of traffic. Arizona law specifically states that slow traffic must stay in the right lane, and that is an absolute law. Speed limits are not absolute, except in certain designated areas.

[tijlover]

I, too, left Phoenix for Las Vegas as a result of their methods of "revenue collection", as that's what it is, plain and simple.

As AARP predicts, in the future, the senior population is destined to become the biggest criminal population in our society. I was mugged in Quito, Ecuador a few years back by two well-dressed gray-haired senior citizens.
After the incident, I thought: Is the future for my country as well?

This incident shouldn't surprise anyone who has had secret dreams of doing something similar after having received their latest ticket. These people, who admit they hate the cameras, and say: This guy deserves to be executed, are really expressing envy, jealousy, in my opinion, that someone had the guts to do it. Fess up! Admit it!

[Howard Roark]

Ok good points. I always stay in the right-most lanes when I go the limits. I understand that point.

At least I think you and I would agree that all roadways should be privatized. Like I say, I'm an extreme libertarian - "The Market for Liberty," by Morris and Linda Tannehill, "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority," by Lysander Spooner, "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World," by Harry Browne.

You get the picture!

Originally Posted by Valley Native

You sound quite authoritarian for someone who votes Libertarian! I am also a Libertarian, and while I agree with you that driving is definitely a privilege vs. a right, the notion of forcing photo radar on Arizonans without a public vote is the main thing to consider. Napolitano stepped out of bounds several times as Governor, and implementing the speed camera program was the final straw. The ironic thing is that she even ADMITTED that the cameras would boost revenue for the state considering that we're in a budget crisis. So nobody can tell me that they are there for safety when it is obvious that their sole purpose is revenue generation!

And regarding your statement about driving not being a right, that would include everybody who operates a motor vehicle. For instance, nobody has the right to drive slow on a freeway (especially in the left lane) and obstruct the general flow of traffic. Arizona law specifically states that slow traffic must stay in the right lane, and that is an absolute law. Speed limits are not absolute, except in certain designated areas.

[las vegas drunk]

Originally Posted by Howard Roark

Ok good points. I always stay in the right-most lanes when I go the limits. I understand that point.

At least I think you and I would agree that all roadways should be privatized. Like I say, I'm an extreme libertarian - "The Market for Liberty," by Morris and Linda Tannehill, "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority," by Lysander Spooner, "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World," by Harry Browne.

You get the picture!

LOL, you say you are an extreme Libertarian but your posts suggest otherwise, more like a liberal Democrat if you ask me.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Howard Roark

At least I think you and I would agree that all roadways should be privatized. Like I say, I'm an extreme libertarian - "The Market for Liberty," by Morris and Linda Tannehill, "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority," by Lysander Spooner, "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World," by Harry Browne.

You get the picture!

Matter of fact, I'm in favor of toll roads, which would be owned and managed by a private entity. Turning Arizona's highway system over to a private firm might actually get the additional proposed freeways built faster. ADOT and MAG are known for their long delays, squandering taxpayer money, and making lame excuses about why the funds that we approved as voters are suddenly not available to build or maintain these roads.

I'm glad you at least stay in the right lane when driving on freeways. However, I'm still confused as to why you favor photo radar when it is basically a tax on those use the freeways for driving fast, as freeways are designed for! Does it really make sense to have such an extensive speed camera program in Arizona where the roads are good and the weather is clear most of the time? You CAN drive fast in Arizona & still be generally safe, whereas you are not always able to do so in other places where the weather is forbidding. This is the last place where such an intense speed enforcement program is needed.

[Ponderosa]

The vans are back out there.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Matter of fact, I'm in favor of toll roads, which would be owned and managed by a private entity. Turning Arizona's highway system over to a private firm might actually get the additional proposed freeways built faster. ADOT and MAG are known for their long delays, squandering taxpayer money, and making lame excuses about why the funds that we approved as voters are suddenly not available to build or maintain these roads.

Unfortunately, Valley . . . Private Construction Companies tend to mimic the performance of Government Agencies such as ADOT and MAG when spending the Taxpayers' Money.