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My advice to you would be to post this over in the Las Vegas section of City-Data. I am not a native of Las Vegas, I am actually from Phoenix myself who has only lived in Las Vegas for the last 3 years. I think you could get even better information from a someone who was born here. However, I can say that I lived in Henderson for about 6 months, and I absolutely loved it. It is totally different than Vegas (in a good way), but is only 10-15 miles away from Vegas. I think you would love it as it is a much better city to raise a child IMO. This is what your average Vegas neighborhood looks like, far from the ugly,dirty dump that some people have described....
That picture looks like any of the newer Goodyear/Phoenix neighborhoods I've been in. I don't know what you're trying to prove with that picture.
More like 112 degrees with 14% humidity. If you wonder why someone lives in Vegas but continually "contributes" to the Phoenix forum, think about it as penis envy. Making a decision to move somewhere sub-par compared to somewhere else. Vegas is sub-par to Phoenix. Here are the real crime statistics according to FBI and local police agencies. Notice Phoenix being 65th on the list for all crimes; Vegas is 56th. However, most of Phoenix suburbs are closer to NYC and being in the negative for crime indexes, you don't get that in Vegas.
List of 15 Most Dangerous cities (one being worst):
1. Detroit
2. Memphis
3. Miami
4. Las Vegas
5. Stockton
6. Orlando
7. Little Rock
8. Charleston
9. Nashville
10. Baltimore
11. New Orleans
12. Baton Rouge
13. West Palm Beach
14. Charlotte
15. Philadelphia In Pictures: America's Most Dangerous Cities - Forbes.com
It doesn't matter, you can keep posting all the links you want to try to prove me wrong, but it will not work. In fact, the links you posted are actually backing up what I have been saying all along. The main dispute I have with you is the idiotic statement you said about Las Vegas being the murder capitol of the USA. "Vegas is also more dangerous than both Phoenix or Chicago as it has the highest murder rate in the country" Show me a link to prove that and I will shut up about it for good. I know Phoenix is an extremely dangerous city. Back in 1993 I was severely beaten up and car jacked in Cortez park. The car was totaled and I got another car. Within a few months, it was broken into and had the stereo stolen while it was parked at Castles and Coasters. After I wrecked this car, I bought a Datsun mini truck that was, you guessed it, broken into at Fashion Square Mall, and had the stereo stolen. Then, not even 1 year later I was car jacked AGAIN!!! This time was not as bad as these guys took me hostage, but did not physically hurt me. They robbed me and stole the stereo system out of my car, but actually gave me the car back. In 1995, my car was broken into and the stereo was stolen. Not once, but twice. This at my apartment in Sunnyslope. Then, in 1998 I was assaulted and robbed while using a payphone outside of the Pep Boys at 35th and Cactus. Then, in 2000 my apartment was broken into and completely cleaned out. This was on 7st and Bell. The last incident was in 2002 when my Ford Contour got vandalzed while parked on 67th avenue and Peoria. Now that I am rememembering all this, I realize I really do hate Phoenix. I forgot to add that I also have been in 2 hit and run accidents where the other person hit me and took off. Now, do you really think I want to move back to Phoenix anymore? Vegas is a totally different story. I even walk home 2 miles in the middle of the night and have never had a problem. The only incident that ever happened is I was pick pocketed one time in a casino. I lost a grand total $25. I will take that any day over all the horrible bulls$%# that happened to me in Phoenix. You asked why I am here in the Phoenix forum all day. Well, I am at work, and there is nothing good on the television so I am bored. If anything, I am trying to warn people about Phoenix so that they do not have to go through the same thing I did.
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It doesn't matter, you can keep posting all the links you want to try to prove me wrong, but it will not work. In fact, the links you posted are actually backing up what I have been saying all along. The main dispute I have with you is the idiotic statement you said about Las Vegas being the murder capitol of the USA. "Vegas is also more dangerous than both Phoenix or Chicago as it has the highest murder rate in the country" Show me a link to prove that and I will shut up about it for good. I know Phoenix is an extremely dangerous city. Back in 1993 I was severely beaten up and car jacked in Cortez park. The car was totaled and I got another car. Within a few months, it was broken into and had the stereo stolen while it was parked at Castles and Coasters. After I wrecked this car, I bought a Datsun mini truck that was, you guessed it, broken into at Fashion Square Mall, and had the stereo stolen. Then, not even 1 year later I was car jacked AGAIN!!! This time was not as bad as these guys took me hostage, but did not physically hurt me. They robbed me and stole the stereo system out of my car, but actually gave me the car back. In 1995, my car was broken into and the stereo was stolen. Not once, but twice. This at my apartment in Sunnyslope. Then, in 1998 I was assaulted and robbed while using a payphone outside of the Pep Boys at 35th and Cactus. Then, in 2000 my apartment was broken into and completely cleaned out. This was on 7st and Bell. The last incident was in 2002 when my Ford Contour got vandalzed while parked on 67th avenue and Peoria. Now that I am rememembering all this, I realize I really do hate Phoenix. I forgot to add that I also have been in 2 hit and run accidents where the other person hit me and took off. Now, do you really think I want to move back to Phoenix anymore? Vegas is a totally different story. I even walk home 2 miles in the middle of the night and have never had a problem. The only incident that ever happened is I was pick pocketed one time in a casino. I lost a grand total $25. I will take that any day over all the horrible bulls$%# that happened to me in Phoenix.
Back in the 90's when NYC was the most dangerous city in the U.S. and had over 2,000 murders per year and Phoenix was "extremely" dangerous too! LOL, you are so wrong and sound very uninformed. I guess hit and runs only happen in Phoenix, but then I remember being in Seattle when it happened to me? Hmmmm, wonder if that means hit and runs happen everywhere?
The murder rates are included with ALL the links I posted, I'm not going to repost all of them for the hell of it, read Forbes article about Vegas being the 4th most dangerous in the country. Read the information for once and learn something new. Like Las Vegas being amongst the most dangerous cities in the U.S. based on facts, numbers, statistics, and actual occurrences and data. Not some "opinion" and lies from a poster who lives in a dangerous city trying to prove that another city, which is much safer, is more dangerous. That is just an outright lie.
I realized I have made a mistake. Unlike Fcorrales80, I can admit when I am wrong. I sincerely apologize to the people of Goodyear. The dump I was referring to was actually downtown Avondale where the city services are located. That truly is a dump. I used to do a lot of deliveries there, and for some reason that is what I was picturing when I heard Goodyear. I think everyone on here is mostly referring to the Litchfield park area which I forgot is actually in Goodyear. I do remember driving through there a lot, and it was a newer area that was really nice, kind of like Surprise. The only bad thing I will say from now on about Goodyear is the commute to Phoenix since I can now picture the area correctly.
I realized I have made a mistake. Unlike Fcorrales80, I can admit when I am wrong. I sincerely apologize to the people of Goodyear. The dump I was referring to was actually downtown Avondale where the city services are located. That truly is a dump. I used to do a lot of deliveries there, and for some reason that is what I was picturing when I heard Goodyear. I think everyone on here is mostly referring to the Litchfield park area which I forgot is actually in Goodyear. I do remember driving through there a lot, and it was a newer area that was really nice, kind of like Surprise. The only bad thing I will say from now on about Goodyear is the commute to Phoenix since I can now picture the area correctly.
Yeah, old town Avondale is a dump. No arguing that!!! Litchfield Park is a city all its own though. Palm Valley and Estrella Mountain Ranch are examples of areas in Goodyear. If I was wrong, I would correct it, but I'm not!
Back in the 90's when NYC was the most dangerous city in the U.S. and had over 2,000 murders per year and Phoenix was "extremely" dangerous too! LOL, you are so wrong and sound very uninformed. I guess hit and runs only happen in Phoenix, but then I remember being in Seattle when it happened to me? Hmmmm, wonder if that means hit and runs happen everywhere?
The murder rates are included with ALL the links I posted, I'm not going to repost all of them for the hell of it, read Forbes article about Vegas being the 4th most dangerous in the country. Read the information for once and learn something new. Like Las Vegas being amongst the most dangerous cities in the U.S. based on facts, numbers, statistics, and actual occurrences and data. Not some "opinion" and lies from a poster who lives in a dangerous city trying to prove that another city, which is much safer, is more dangerous. That is just an outright lie.
The only outright liar is you!! I am really sick of arguing with you so I will end it with this. The title of this thread is Goodyear versus Henderson. I never recommended for the op to move to Vegas, did I??? Both Henderson and Boulder City are just as safe as any of the Suburbs of Phoenix. In fact, Boulder City alone is safer than ANY suburb of Phoenix. Look at the statistics that I already posted.. They are both affluent areas that score really low on the crime lists. Henderson was a negative number on the link YOU posted. The Las Vegas Metro scores high because of the city of North Las Vegas, which actually is a ghetto hellhole. I sure would not live there. Where I am at it is very safe, and I have had a lot better experience than Phoenix safety wise. As God being my witness, every crime I told in that last thread was the truth. That is why I have moved out of Phoenix multiple times. The main with you is these untrue statements....
"Vegas is also more dangerous than both Phoenix or Chicago as it has the highest murder rate in the country"
"I'd hardly call the murder capital of the U.S. (Vegas) as a great place to visit, much less live."
This was the worst of them...
"Vegas is the murder capital of the U.S. surpassing Detroit, St. Louis, etc."
Well, all I have to say is this article is only a month old.....
The only outright liar is you!! I am really sick of arguing with you so I will end it with this. The title of this thread is Goodyear versus Henderson. I never recommended for the op to move to Vegas, did I??? Both Henderson and Boulder City are just as safe as any of the Suburbs of Phoenix. In fact, Boulder City alone is safer than ANY suburb of Phoenix. Look at the statistics that I already posted.. They are both affluent areas that score really low on the crime lists. Henderson was a negative number on the link YOU posted. The Las Vegas Metro scores high because of the city of North Las Vegas, which actually is a ghetto hellhole. I sure would not live there. Where I am at it is very safe, and I have had a lot better experience than Phoenix safety wise. As God being my witness, every crime I told in that last thread was the truth. That is why I have moved out of Phoenix multiple times. The main with you is these untrue statements....
"Vegas is also more dangerous than both Phoenix or Chicago as it has the highest murder rate in the country"
"I'd hardly call the murder capital of the U.S. (Vegas) as a great place to visit, much less live."
This was the worst of them...
"Vegas is the murder capital of the U.S. surpassing Detroit, St. Louis, etc."
Well, all I have to say is this article is only a month old.....
Cool, so Vegas isn't the murder capital anymore. Good job I was wrong. Still makes the list...Oh, safest cities list (and Boulder City isn't one of them but a suburb of Phoenix is! go figure and about the only city on the list with more than 200,000 people; Gilbert, AZ a suburb of Phoenix has over 200,000 and there are about 15,000 in Boulder City, NV): Safest and Most Dangerous U.S. Cities, 2008 — Infoplease.com
Not sure where you are getting the statistic that Boulder City is safer than every suburb of Phoenix, but it isn't true.
Just as an example, Vegas population is 545k and had 120 murders, Phoenix population is 1.4 million and had 168 murders, Chicago has 2.9 million with 443 murders, that means that per 100,000 residents Vegas had more murders than Phoenix or Chicago, so the murder RATE is higher in Vegas. These numbers are for 2008. Phoenix is currently experiencing 24% less murders this year than last. Increasing for Chicago however!
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Cool, so Vegas isn't the murder capital anymore. Good job I was wrong. Still makes the list...Oh, safest cities list (and Boulder City isn't one of them but a suburb of Phoenix is! go figure and about the only city on the list with more than 200,000 people; Gilbert, AZ a suburb of Phoenix has over 200,000 and there are about 15,000 in Boulder City, NV): Safest and Most Dangerous U.S. Cities, 2008 — Infoplease.com
Not sure where you are getting the statistic that Boulder City is safer than every suburb of Phoenix, but it isn't true.
Just as an example, Vegas population is 545k and had 120 murders, Phoenix population is 1.4 million and had 168 murders, Chicago has 2.9 million with 443 murders, that means that per 100,000 residents Vegas had more murders than Phoenix or Chicago, so the murder RATE is higher in Vegas. These numbers are for 2008. Phoenix is currently experiencing 24% less murders this year than last. Increasing for Chicago however!
Every year the data changes. For example, the link you posted above for 2008 does not even have Las Vegas in the top 25 as far as most dangerous. You asked for the links on Gilbert compared to Boulder City so here they are. Gilbert scored really good, but Boulder City was even better...
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Vegas is the murder capital of the U.S. surpassing Detroit, St. Louis, etc. Assume that much of the related crime, even if not reported, seeps into the surrounding community. While murder and crime have fallen in metro Phoenix up to 24% and more in some areas, the crime in Vegas is exploding and always will be. Think of the awful, generic lifestyle? Drinking, gambling, prostitution, etc. It is a nasty place to raise your kids in and they will see much more than you realize.
It is an awfully unoriginal city. There is no regional cuisine, no regional architecture (the strip is "borrowed" real estate, no significant art links, walks, etc.), no art scene, and a dust bowl of a city. No matter where in metro Vegas you reside, you'll deal with the awful aspects of the Murder Capital of the U.S. It isn't an attractive city to boot, even the strip is ugly to look at.
It seems you just hate desert towns. Or just hate everything. Vegas is not the murder capitol of the country surpassing Detroit. Are you freaking kidding me????
Too many people think of Las Vegas as that area surrounding the Strip and downtown, where most of the crime is at. The valley goes far and wide. A couple million of people live here and most never are a victim of crime. You make it seem like there's a gunman on every corner just waiting.
It is not so. And if you don't live here in Las Vegas and are just assuming based on rumor's, you need to re-educate yourself and do some research.
Some of the worst places to live are New Orleans which is number 1, Detroit, St. Louis, Philadelphia, any part of the inner city of a major metropolis including Phoenix, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago,etc.
Think what you like about Las Vegas, but it is nothing in how you describe it. Seems to me you may have lived here before, couldn't afford a nice area, got stuck in the ghetto part and you base all your assumptions on the whole city from that one part. People raise their kids here just fine, many people keep moving here on a daily basis. Some move out, but many of them move back. If it's hell on earth the way you describe, then why do people love it and thrive here? Because they know better and don't fall for lies on a message board.
How would you like it if people came in here professing that Phoenix is the murder capitol of the world, and everything you accused LV of being. I think you'd get a little defensive too.
I have lived in LV for 14 years. Sure there is crime here. But it is all over the US and the world. The strip is great to look at. See it on a dark night, it's the best. There is nothing ugly about it. People keep moving here trying to make it into the place they left. It's different, it's unique. It doesn't make it bad. Quit trying to change it, leave it as it is. Don't insult it.
You can make it anywhere you know, it's not the place, it's the person. Soon you will be moving on and trashing other places on message boards. Good luck with that.
Every year the data changes. For example, the link you posted above for 2008 does not even have Las Vegas in the top 25 as far as most dangerous. You asked for the links on Gilbert compared to Boulder City so here they are. Gilbert scored really good, but Boulder City was even better...
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From your link: "Data comes from the FBI Uniform Crime Rate database for 2004." This was for 2004 not 2008, sorry, wrong again.
"Forbes magazine in April ranked the Las Vegas area as No. 4 on its list of the country's 15 most dangerous cities. The magazine said there are 887 violent crimes per 100,000 residents." America's Most Dangerous Cities - Forbes.com
This is a 2009 compilation of data...
As I have stated and posted links proving, crime in metro Phoenix has fallen and continues to do so while it increases in other areas. Your outdated informations shows a decline of crime from 2004 to the present in metro Phoenix.
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This is what your average Vegas neighborhood looks like, far from the ugly,dirty dump that some people have described....
Unlike Fcorrales80, I can admit when I am wrong. I sincerely apologize to the people of Goodyear. The dump I was referring to was actually downtown Avondale where the city services are located. That truly is a dump. I used to do a lot of deliveries there, and for some reason that is what I was picturing when I heard Goodyear. I think everyone on here is mostly referring to the Litchfield park area which I forgot is actually in Goodyear. I do remember driving through there a lot, and it was a newer area that was really nice, kind of like Surprise. The only bad thing I will say from now on about Goodyear is the commute to Phoenix since I can now picture the area correctly.
They are both affluent areas that score really low on the crime lists. Henderson was a negative number on the link YOU posted. The Las Vegas Metro scores high because of the city of North Las Vegas, which actually is a ghetto hellhole. I sure would not live there. Where I am at it is very safe, and I have had a lot better experience than Phoenix safety wise. As God being my witness, every crime I told in that last thread was the truth. That is why I have moved out of Phoenix multiple times. The main with you is these untrue statements....
