08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
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We live in Flagstaff. My husband wants to buy a bank owned in scottsdale. There are older condos available for under 100K there, but I was hoping for under 75K, but still quite nice area. Any suggestions? Are there bad areas of scottsdale?
08-22-2009, 07:53 PM
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I don't think even bank owned properties would be that cheap...especially not in a good neighborhood in Scottsdale or Central Phoenix. In Phoenix, especially the central area, many houses and condos have actually held their value and have seen VERY modest increases unlike the suburban areas. But good luck in your search, I'm sure someone can give you more insight if there are condos to be had for $25k or less but I HIGHLY doubt it.
08-22-2009, 07:58 PM
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hmmm... i've been looking at mls search for bank owned homes and see quite a few for under $75. Also many under 25K in less desirable areas. Do think the site is wrong?
08-22-2009, 08:21 PM
Location: Phoenix
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hmmm... i've been looking at mls search for bank owned homes and see quite a few for under $75. Also many under 25K in less desirable areas. Do think the site is wrong?
If it is a less desirable area then probably not. But you asked for good neighborhoods, etc which you won't find that type of pricing. I'm sure a realtor will pop in here soon to point you in the right direction. But if you want a good area, you won't be paying $25k and $75k will be a stretch in Scottsdale as well. When it is a banked owned property they usually low ball a price but this incites a bidding war for the property which has been quite prevalent in this market surprisingly.
08-22-2009, 08:32 PM
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oh - bidding wars? don't want to do that. I think I need to find a good buyers broke who is well adept at bank owned negotiations. We did that up here and got a super good deal on our home. Maybe I'll ask our agent up here if he can suggest an agent down there. I know lots of agents claim to handle bank owned purchases, but only a few are truly good/seasoned negotiators at it
08-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Location: Phoenix
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oh - bidding wars? don't want to do that. I think I need to find a good buyers broke who is well adept at bank owned negotiations. We did that up here and got a super good deal on our home. Maybe I'll ask our agent up here if he can suggest an agent down there. I know lots of agents claim to handle bank owned purchases, but only a few are truly good/seasoned negotiators at it
No problem, also, I think there is a realtors section here on city-data where you are SURE to get a huge response and tons of info...I would post there to get much more detailed information. This would be the best thing to do since realtors have to be careful regarding the info they post on this particular area of the forums.
08-23-2009, 08:30 AM
Location: Gilbert - Val Vista Lakes
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oh - bidding wars? don't want to do that. I think I need to find a good buyers broke who is well adept at bank owned negotiations. We did that up here and got a super good deal on our home. Maybe I'll ask our agent up here if he can suggest an agent down there. I know lots of agents claim to handle bank owned purchases, but only a few are truly good/seasoned negotiators at it
Times have changed since before April 2009. We are now in a Sellers market in most of the valley. The inventory is down; the sales have increased; and for the past few months the prices have leveled and begun to increase in some areas.
What you are looking for is going to be virtually impossible to find today. Last year you probably could have found it The best negotiator in the world is not going to be able to help you buy what is not available.
On the outside chance that it does become available, and that bargain price appears, everyone else looking for it will be putting in offers. If you want that property, you cannot avoid a multiple offer situation.
The banks work like this: They receive several offers. Then they ask each buyer to submit their highest and best offer. There is no negotiating at all. They just want the highest and best price. You determine the maximum price you will pay and submit that offer, and hope for the best. That's it.
You will have no idea of what the other offers are. They may (most likely not) have lower offers than yours. That's why you only submit the maximum amount that you feel the house is worth to you.
Typically they will accept a cash offer that is lower than an offer financed with a conv mtg.
They will accept a conv offer with 20% down lower than an FHA financed offer asking for seller help with closing costs.
How much lower depends on the bank. But that's what they mean by highest and best. If one offer is cash, it may not be the highest, but it may be the best in the banks eyes because they know it will have the best chance to close escrow, and they will accept it.
What you need to do is decide what area you wish to buy, and find a realtor in that area who will send you info on properties that meet your criteria.
I can't help you because I don't work the Phoenix and Scottsdale area except for special occasions. I work the Chandler, Mesa and Gilbert area.
However, I have purchased 10 bank owned properties for my own account to rehab, and numerous others for my buyer clients, as well as having listed bank owned properties. So I know very well how to work with the banks.
I own one 2br 2ba condo in Mesa on University that I got at a bargain price from a bank at $22k last year. Today I can't buy the same unit in that community for less than $35-40k. Rents in there are around $700.
I like this community because it's in a good area of Mesa with a good mix of middle class renters and owner live-in; some singles; some couples, and some children; a few snowbirds. So I keep watching and making offers hoping to buy a few more units in there.
Some of these units sold for 70k in 2000, and for 80k in 2003. During the bubble went up to 120k. Now they're down to half the price they were in 2000. To me that shows a drastic undershoot of prices. That's why I want to buy more in there, fix them up while labor isn't too busy, and hold for a few years.
08-23-2009, 09:09 AM
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Good points Captain Bill,
08-23-2009, 09:16 AM
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Short Sales are a racket, they are advertised for $80k, you put in a bid, then they tell you they have a higher bid, so you have to bid more. This goes on for months and you wind up over $100k. Even a used car dealer has to say "only one at this price".
08-23-2009, 04:43 PM
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Thanks for the info captain bill
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Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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