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Old 08-02-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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It's hard to imagine that during Carnegie's boyhood, libraries were for the rich and there were no free ones. I still love walkiing up the marble steps to the main library in Oakland and seeing "Free to the People" engraved over the entrance on the building. I can't imagine life without libraries. You can take out and return as many books, CDs, DVDs, and sheet music as you want FOR FREE! (Yes, I know my taxes pay for it, but it's one of those things that make society civilized).
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Philly
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It's hard to imagine that during Carnegie's boyhood, libraries were for the rich and there were no free ones. I still love walkiing up the marble steps to the main library in Oakland and seeing "Free to the People" engraved over the entrance on the building. I can't imagine life without libraries. You can take out and return as many books, CDs, DVDs, and sheet music as you want FOR FREE! (Yes, I know my taxes pay for it, but it's one of those things that make society civilized).
the rich might be a bit if a stretch but you did have to pay. ben franklin began subscription libraries not for the rich but for people who wanted to improve their lives because at the time books were very expensive. interestingly carnegie could have easily afforded a subscription with money from his job at the pennsylvania railroad but it just bugged him people had to pay to inprove themselves
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Beaver Falls has a Carnegie Library. My mom once heard one woman say to another, "I'll never go in there. That place was built on the back of the working man".
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Beaver Falls has a Carnegie Library. My mom once heard one woman say to another, "I'll never go in there. That place was built on the back of the working man".
Wow, she really showed him!
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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Beaver Falls has a Carnegie Library. My mom once heard one woman say to another, "I'll never go in there. That place was built on the back of the working man".
Can't think of a better way to get the money back by going inside and using it.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My mom nor I agree with this woman, but there was more anti-Carnegie sentiment than you might think. This happened, oh, maybe 60 years ago or so.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Things were different back then. Now, somebody in the same position would run TV ads warning you to be afraid if anybody talks to you about a union and comparing the EPA to the SS.
Well, Detroit was a union enclave and look at them now. Pittsburgh was too and its industries collapsed.

And the EPA has added so much cost as you have to get past them first to do any building.

Each have their place but the problem is in their extension for more and more power. Which probably characterized Carnegie too but later was repulsed by it. Organizations however are a different thing. Unions want more and more members, the EPA more and more control, the NAACP wants perpetual racial strife...sort of like Castro and his perpetual "revolution" in Cuba.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Well, Detroit was a union enclave and look at them now. Pittsburgh was too and its industries collapsed.

And the EPA has added so much cost as you have to get past them first to do any building.

Each have their place but the problem is in their extension for more and more power. Which probably characterized Carnegie too but later was repulsed by it. Organizations however are a different thing. Unions want more and more members, the EPA more and more control, the NAACP wants perpetual racial strife...sort of like Castro and his perpetual "revolution" in Cuba.
You're right, who needs the EPA...

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Old 08-07-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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No...I didn't say we don't need the EPA. The problem is when they regulate excessively. And Pittsburgh cleaned up its act without the EPA.
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: roaming about Allegheny City
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Well, Detroit was a union enclave and look at them now. Pittsburgh was too and its industries collapsed.

And the EPA has added so much cost as you have to get past them first to do any building.

Each have their place but the problem is in their extension for more and more power. Which probably characterized Carnegie too but later was repulsed by it. Organizations however are a different thing. Unions want more and more members, the EPA more and more control, the NAACP wants perpetual racial strife...sort of like Castro and his perpetual "revolution" in Cuba.
All excellent points.
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