HOW COVID-19 KILLS - Why We Can't Save You (vs, safer)

[Knepper3]

Originally Posted by erieguy

You really think better hygiene is going to keep you from getting the flu or an airborne disease?

It would depend on the disease, and airborne disease does not always remain airborne forever and can remain longer on surfaces. By that fact yes better hygiene is going to help.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Knepper3

It would depend on the disease, and airborne disease does not always remain airborne forever and can remain longer on surfaces. By that fact yes better hygiene is going to help.

I’m not talking about getting something on a surface.

Never have I ever heard of such a thing in regards to hygiene in regards to the flu or an airborne disease...but if it’s the case I gotta believe every healthcare person in the world would have repeatedly mentioned it, especially with the present pandemic.

[Kippy]

Originally Posted by sealie

The New England Journal of Medicine claims it may stay in the air for half an hour and I think on steel or plastic for two or three days. I think your odds are decidedly better if you stay home, limit your grocery trips to every other week, and do everything the CDC asks people to do, but you can’t do much about people who think they’re smarter than the epidemiologists.

Keep in mind that those tests are done in a vacuum inside a drum that is constantly rotating. In the real world, humidity and gravity help to pull those airborne droplets and/or aerosols to the ground.

[lostsoul359]

Originally Posted by erieguy

I didn’t ask if you got the flu, but if you don’t know the answer it’s probably best you stay inside forever.

If you do not have anything helpful to say, maybe try saying nothing at all next time instead.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by lostsoul359

If you do not have anything helpful to say, maybe try saying nothing at all next time instead.

I gave you the answers. If you don’t want to accept them, maybe try not to continue to ask them.

[Kippy]

Originally Posted by erieguy

I’m not talking about getting something on a surface.

Never have I ever heard of such a thing in regards to hygiene in regards to the flu or an airborne disease...but if it’s the case I gotta believe every healthcare person in the world would have repeatedly mentioned it, especially with the present pandemic.

From Wikipedia:

Hygiene is a series of practices performed to preserve health. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), "Hygiene refers to conditions and practices that help to maintain health and prevent the spread of diseases."

When they say hygiene, they simply mean any behavior to prevent the spread of disease. They aren't suggesting that anyone who gets sick is Pigpen running around with a dust cloud of filth behind him.

Have you missed the incessant public service campaign about hand washing and using hand sanitizer in situations where washing is not feasible?

Were you never taught not to touch your eyes, nose, or mouth with unclean hands, especially during cold and flu season?

The campaign for Europeans to stop kissing on the cheek and for Americans to stop shaking hands? These all relate to hygiene.

In some Asian countries, hygiene practices extend to wearing masks, particularly in crowded environments, such as public transportation.

ETA: The term "personal hygiene," which I assume you are thinking of, does refer to not reeking of BO.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Kippy

From Wikipedia:

Hygiene is a series of practices performed to preserve health. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), "Hygiene refers to conditions and practices that help to maintain health and prevent the spread of diseases."

When they say hygiene, they simply mean any behavior to prevent the spread of disease. They aren't suggesting that anyone who gets sick is Pigpen running around with a dust cloud of filth behind him.

Have you missed the incessant public service campaign about hand washing and using hand sanitizer in situations where washing is not feasible?

Were you never taught not to touch your eyes, nose, or mouth with unclean hands, especially during cold and flu season?

The campaign for Europeans to stop kissing on the cheek and for Americans to stop shaking hands? These all relate to hygiene.

In some Asian countries, hygiene practices extend to wearing masks, particularly in crowded environments, such as public transportation.

Who is arguing against that? Have you missed the part of the conversation about getting the flu/diseases via “airborne”?

eta: Your assumption is as off as your comprehension of the term “airborne”.

[Kippy]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Who is arguing against that? Have you missed the part of the conversation about getting the flu/diseases via “airborne”?

While the flu/viruses can be airborne, they can also be spread from surface-to-surface contact. So, while only a mask or distance/isolation can prevent airborne transmission, hygiene practices can prevent surface-to-surface transmission. It is generally believed (although, who knows who to trust at this point) that surface-to-surface transmission is the more prevalent route. Therefore, by following certain hygiene practices, you can mitigate some risk, at least as far as surface-to-surface transmission goes.

I honestly thought that you were saying that you have never heard that the flu/viruses could be transmitted via surfaces, and that you never heard of doctors recommending any hygiene practices to avoid infection. Sorry if I was off base.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Kippy

While the flu/viruses can be airborne, they can also be spread from surface-to-surface contact. So, while only a mask or distance/isolation can prevent airborne transmission, hygiene practices can prevent surface-to-surface transmission. It is generally believed (although, who knows who to trust at this point) that surface-to-surface transmission is the more prevalent route. Therefore, by following certain hygiene practices, you can mitigate some risk, at least as far as surface-to-surface transmission goes.

I honestly thought that you were saying that you have never heard that the flu/viruses could be transmitted via surfaces, and that you never heard of doctors recommending any hygiene practices to avoid infection. Sorry if I was off base.

Again, nobody is arguing against hygiene and getting something via surfaces.

I said “airborne” repeatedly. Really can’t be much clearer.

[gg]

Originally Posted by sealie

The New England Journal of Medicine claims it may stay in the air for half an hour

If that is the case, you might as well forget our economy. Maybe we should let nature takes is course. Seriously, we have no chance if true. We are all getting it. Might be much better to get it now while hospitals are very quiet in our region.

Time to cut loose and just enjoy life like there is no tomorrow.