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Old 07-01-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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I hear gun nuts claiming that the reason Chicago has so many shootings because handguns were banned, even though shotguns were not. They have long claimed that overturning the handgun ban would serve as a deterrent and reduce crimes. Wanna bet that the number of murders will not be reduced next year. This will have no impact on gun violence as most of the people getting shot (gangbangers) in Chicago already had guns.
I heard anti-gun nuts declaring that Florida would become the Gunshine state when they adopted "shall issue" CCW law. They were full of Bravo Sierra as well.
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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Cities brace for summer crime - USATODAY.com

Seems like crime is also weather-related
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Seems like crime is also weather-related
Not surprising
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Old 07-02-2010, 06:29 AM
 
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Seems Chicago is far from simply giving in to the ruling.
Mayor Daley lays out strict gun rules for Chicago - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100701/ap_on_re_us/us_chicago_gun_ban - broken link)
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:10 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Seems Chicago is far from simply giving in to the ruling.
Mayor Daley lays out strict gun rules for Chicago - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100701/ap_on_re_us/us_chicago_gun_ban - broken link)
They're just wasting money...they're going to lose, and the SCOTUS never likes it when their authority is challenged for that matter.
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:26 AM
 
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They're just wasting money...they're going to lose, and the SCOTUS never likes it when their authority is challenged for that matter.
Well, as long as Chicago's clintonesque workarounds and interpretations don't violate the law, there is nothing the Scotus can do about it.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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Well, as long as Chicago's clintonesque workarounds and interpretations don't violate the law, there is nothing the Scotus can do about it.
But they do. The only restrictions that may hold up are no guns for felons or the insane, no guns in schools or govt. buildings, and possibly background checks and registration when purchasing. That's it.

From the Heller case:

"Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:22 AM
 
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But they do. The only restrictions that may hold up are no guns for felons or the insane, no guns in schools or govt. buildings, and possibly background checks and registration when purchasing. That's it.

From the Heller case:

"Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
That wording might allow Chicago to declare all space outside private homes sensitive areas, after all that city (like most cities) has a crime problem.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Seems Chicago is far from simply giving in to the ruling.
Mayor Daley lays out strict gun rules for Chicago - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100701/ap_on_re_us/us_chicago_gun_ban - broken link)

seems to me that daley is in favor of criminals and not protecting the voters that elected him to office.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:38 AM
 
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seems to me that daley is in favor of criminals and not protecting the voters that elected him to office.
Maybe he just doesn't agree with the philosophy that guns solve problems. Actually quite a lot of mayors would like stricter gun laws, there was one joint declaration in that vein, signed by 300 mayors.
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