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Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
This would be a good argument, but in fact they weren't. They were anarchists and McVeigh, at least, described himself as an agnostic and left a blasphemous poem as his farewell message to the world.
I don't care for conservative Christians, but I care even less for people who can't get their facts right.
McVeigh was acting against the government he had nothing to do with any religion. Yes, many religions condemned what he did.
Their dislike for the United States is also based on our government's policies namely our unilateral support for Israel. If we didn't support Israel, none of these events would have happened. They may never have liked western culture and ideals but that never inspired them to attack the United Staes. The 9/11 terrorist acts and other terrorist attacks are based on our political stance.
By not allowing a Mosque to be built at ground zero, you are essentially saying this is a war against Islam when it's truly a war against a fundamentalist terrorist group not an entire religion. This incident displays people's true feelings namely that they are angry at Islam as a whole as opposed to just the terrorists. Are those feelings understandable given the recent events, absolutely! Does it justify having those feelings, no it doesn't because Islam didn't bomb NYC, Al Qaeda did. Muslims were also victims in these bombings and many American Muslims died during 9/11 also so it is important we not indict all of Islam in the 9/11 bombings.
Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
and they went and bombed hundreds of Americans including children to death. Doesn't it soil the memory of the Americans who died to have Christians stick our nose in it by having a church in the same area? What about the loved ones who lost family and who now would have to look at that Cross each time they go by?
You say that Nicols and McVeigh weren't good Christians? Well did you ever think that the Musim terrorists who blew up the World Trade Center weren't considered good muslims and that religion denounced them?
Did the Christian churches ever denounce Nicols and McVeigh ( nah they just hoped people would forget it about and continue to look at arabs).
Just because you say you are something does not mean you are. Actions speak louder than words. A true Christian would not have done what he did. A true Muslim, hmmmm?
Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
and they went and bombed hundreds of Americans including children to death. Doesn't it soil the memory of the Americans who died to have Christians stick our nose in it by having a church in the same area? What about the loved ones who lost family and who now would have to look at that Cross each time they go by?
You say that Nicols and McVeigh weren't good Christians? Well did you ever think that the Musim terrorists who blew up the World Trade Center weren't considered good muslims and that religion denounced them?
Did the Christian churches ever denounce Nicols and McVeigh ( nah they just hoped people would forget it about and continue to look at arabs).
Great post but of course you got the :
"White Christian good, grunt,drool, brown Muslim bad" crowd.
Have to change the constitution if they want to restrict RELIGIOUS buildings from going up......but I guess these christian repugs hate the Constitution (unless they agree with it).
Funny, lots of these repugs were FOR the "liberation and Freedom for the Iraqis" war..... Iraq...74% Muslim...
"white christian good, grunt,drool, brown muslim bad" crowd.
Have to change the constitution if they want to restrict religious buildings from going up......but i guess these christian repugs hate the constitution (unless they agree with it).
Funny, lots of these repugs were for the "liberation and freedom for the iraqis" war..... Iraq...74% muslim...
That's not the point....and YOU don't know what he was.....and YOU don't know what was on the mind of the 9/11 bombers or who sent them....and killing is killing whether the killer is Muslim, christian, or any other religion...or no religion.....the dead in Oklahoma are just as dead as the people in New York.
And the CONSTITUTION protects the right of a religion to build a building.
Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
and they went and bombed hundreds of Americans including children to death. Doesn't it soil the memory of the Americans who died to have Christians stick our nose in it by having a church in the same area? What about the loved ones who lost family and who now would have to look at that Cross each time they go by?
You say that Nicols and McVeigh weren't good Christians? Well did you ever think that the Musim terrorists who blew up the World Trade Center weren't considered good muslims and that religion denounced them?
Did the Christian churches ever denounce Nicols and McVeigh ( nah they just hoped people would forget it about and continue to look at arabs).
Our nation was founded upon Christian beliefs and the teachings in the bible.
Separation of church and State, has a totally twisted meaning today, than it originally did when Thomas Jefferson sent a simple letter. Most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.
The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.
I don't think our founders knew there was such a thing as Islam.
Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
and they went and bombed hundreds of Americans including children to death. Doesn't it soil the memory of the Americans who died to have Christians stick our nose in it by having a church in the same area? What about the loved ones who lost family and who now would have to look at that Cross each time they go by?
You say that Nicols and McVeigh weren't good Christians? Well did you ever think that the Musim terrorists who blew up the World Trade Center weren't considered good muslims and that religion denounced them?
Did the Christian churches ever denounce Nicols and McVeigh ( nah they just hoped people would forget it about and continue to look at arabs).
Our nation was founded upon Christian beliefs and the teachings in the bible.
Separation of church and State, has a totally twisted meaning today, than it originally did when Thomas Jefferson sent a simple letter. Most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.
The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.
I don't think our founders knew there was such a thing as Islam.
McVeigh was acting against the government he had nothing to do with any religion. Yes, many religions condemned what he did.
But most radical conservative organizatins in this country profess strong Christian beliefs. Many of these organizations actively call for the overthrow of the United States Government. Based on the logic used against having a Muslim community center close to Ground Zero there also shouldn't be any Christian churches closee to the Alfred P. Murah Building.
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