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Old 08-17-2010, 07:52 AM
 
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The OP is either ignorant or intentionally intellectually dishonest in failing to mention the highly probably tie of the OKC bombing to Middle Eastern radical Islam and the cooperation of McVeigh and Nichols with jihaddists.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
and they went and bombed hundreds of Americans including children to death. Doesn't it soil the memory of the Americans who died to have Christians stick our nose in it by having a church in the same area? What about the loved ones who lost family and who now would have to look at that Cross each time they go by?

You say that Nicols and McVeigh weren't good Christians? Well did you ever think that the Musim terrorists who blew up the World Trade Center weren't considered good muslims and that religion denounced them?

Did the Christian churches ever denounce Nicols and McVeigh ( nah they just hoped people would forget it about and continue to look at arabs).
They talked about this on CNN last night, they said McVeigh was athiest.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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He was not Christian.
Good answer.

Can you address this:

"""Funny, lots of these repugs were FOR the "liberation and Freedom for the Iraqis" war..... Iraq...74% Muslim... ""


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Old 08-17-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default 100 mosques in NYC demonstrates out intolerance

OK bombers were not motivated by religious beliefs as are the radical muslims whose culture, legal and social beliefs are inseperable from their religion. Talk about a cultural clash! Our government's push for secularism will soon equal the intolerance practiced in the Muslim world.

The isolated wack jobs like McVeigh can hardly be equated to the chronic daily destruction the radical Muslims wreak upon their own and innocent non believers. Their practice of suicide bombings can never be claimed to cause colateral damage. What a stoke of luck for them.

To clarify... if all the bodies were heaped in piles next to each other, the pile owned by the small minority of Islamic motivated terrorists would tower orders of magnitude higher. Amazing what a small fraction of terrorists can achieve when they really put thier hearts into it. Radical minorities act larger than their number suggest.

News falsh, 60 Iraqi civilians blown up by an Islamic terrorist.

Despite the stated intentions of Muslim proponents of the GZM the rest of the Muslim world will certainly consider the mosque as stamp of their God's approval of their religious war against the west. This will default to a recruiting coupe for radicals.

GITMO is touted as an offensive symbol to the Muslim world and is claimed to be used as a recruiting tool. For these reasons alone Obama wants to close the facility. So why not defer to the victims and their supporters in NYC and declare, while constitutional to build the GZM its offensiveness makes its presence undesirable.

It is traditional to place crosses over gravesites here even if a member of a church murders another member of a church.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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Isn't oklahoma just one big redneck church anyway?
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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Gee i don't know- Nichols and McVeigh were conservative Christians
and they went and bombed hundreds of Americans including children to death. Doesn't it soil the memory of the Americans who died to have Christians stick our nose in it by having a church in the same area? What about the loved ones who lost family and who now would have to look at that Cross each time they go by?

You say that Nicols and McVeigh weren't good Christians? Well did you ever think that the Musim terrorists who blew up the World Trade Center weren't considered good muslims and that religion denounced them?

Did the Christian churches ever denounce Nicols and McVeigh ( nah they just hoped people would forget it about and continue to look at arabs).


It is an absolute lie that Christians did not denounce McVeigh. It is a statement that can only be made in arrogance. Shame on you.


The vast majority (if not all) of the funerals of those who died in OKC were done in Christian Churches. OKC Churches were at the heart of the picking up the pieces of the horror that mcveigh and nichols caused.

There was never a time when mcveigh stated he did what he did in the name of Christ. You are being fast and loose with the truth. IF McVeigh was a Christian it was ancillary to the terrorist action he took.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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The better question would be, should a group who will not denounce anti-Muslim terrorists be allowed to build a Christian church in the shadows of the Dome of the Rock.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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The better question would be, should a group who will not denounce anti-Muslim terrorists be allowed to build a Christian church in the shadows of the Dome of the Rock.
Careful you might make blood shoot out of their eyes and their heads to explode.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Rockport Texas from El Paso
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Wow maybe i should have checked my thread ...

I love that people are saying MCVeigh and Nichols were not Christians even though one of them made a big deal of "being born again". The other had attended Catholic Church.

Has it not occurred to you that the rank and file Muslims also denounced Bin Laden for violating their principles????

Another poster said "but Nichols and McVeigh did not shout "God is great " when they did it.. Well gee if you were there and close enough to listen to what they were saying - why didn't you try to stop them?
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Old 08-17-2010, 11:01 AM
 
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From the link:

"That ordinary citizens shared these positive views is demonstrated by a petition of a group of citizens of Chesterfield County, Va., to the state assembly, Nov. 14, 1785: "Let Jews, Mehometans and Christians of every denomination enjoy religious liberty…thrust them not out now by establishing the Christian religion lest thereby we become our own enemys and weaken this infant state. "
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