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Hmmm, since I had a copy of the application then I am supposed to assume it was a phony? I wish I hadn't throw it out now.
As I said, your memory fails you. There is no such application. Whatever you had that was so conveniently "thrown out" would have been plastered all over the Birthersphere even had it been fake.
Yes... and none of those three copies contains any mention of "natural born citizens" whatsoever, let alone provides a definition for them.
Where's your proof that none of the three copies contained Chapter 19 Subsection 212?
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That is a lie. There is no sign that you have ever referenced either. You are cutting and pasting from second, third, fourth and fifth hand sources.
You throw 'that's a lie' around a lot, but let's look at the facts. I've posted verification from The Library of Congress and the University of Virginia.
You? You've posted nothing more than vitriolic opinion.
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And anyone who has actually read that pamphlet (which you apparently have not) understands that the entire argument was based on a jus soli definition of natural born citizen.
Exactly. They thought they could prove Chester Arthur was born in Canada.
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I am getting my info directly from Leo Donofrio's own writings that record his descent into drug use, delusion and mental illness. He told about it in a rambling stream of consciousness internet bloviation called "One Love Story" where he describes how he became convinced that the lead singer for the Manchester rock band "Stone Roses" was Jesus and that he (Donofrio) was the Holy Spirit assigned to announce his second coming.
So you're the one who is the Donofrio fan. Got it.
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This is the man who invented the whole "two citizen parent" definition of natural born citizen.
No. That would be Vattel. The same Vattel mentioned by Benjamin Franklin and cited in the Congressional Record. Read chapter 19 subsection 212.
Interesting how Obama has provided more evidence for his citizenship than any other President in American history, and yet he's the only one you ever thought to question on the issue.
More evidence? Another unsubstantiated opinion.
And I've already given the example of another who would be ineligible by virtue of non-citizen parents. Bobby Jindal.
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Here's the one that makes it a crime to put "Honolulu" in the "Place of Birth" field of a birth certificate when the person was actually born in a foreign country.
There is a "difference," but you do not appear to understand what that difference is.
"Citizen" is a the general category that includes two (and only two) sub categories; natural born citizens and naturalized citizens.
Based on what?
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Because it's certainly not for "natural born citizenship," since it is never mentioned once. Once you actually figure out what he is really saying, then you will discover how completely he is contradicted by the US Constitution. Because he does not believe that such children are not "natural born citizens" (a phrase he never uttered). He believes that they are not citizens at all!
That's your opinion. That's not what Vattel wrote. He never wrote that children of non-citizens were not citizens at all. He wrote that they were not natural citizens.
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As an aside: Did you know that Vattel, in Law of Nations, also completely rejected the right of citizens to bear arms?
Yes. Vattel influenced the Constitution, he did not write it.
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Gosh... I thought you said the Framers really liked his ideas? That he was some sort of ultimate source of the ideas that became the US Constitution?
Go figure.
Ultimate source? No. Influential source? Yes, according to Benjamin Franklin's letter to Dumas. Look it up. Influence doesn't mean all or nothing.
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