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Old 08-31-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Then why offer up an obviously altered photo as 'proof?'
Why not?
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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Scroll up a few pages you'll find them.
They were debunked. Got any more?
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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Yes, they do. The meaning of chapter 19 subsection 212 is quite clear.
Yes. Too bad in its clarity it does not mention natural born citizenship.
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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Because you deem it so?
No. Because it is established law.
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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Vattel never mentioned natural citizens.

Ever.
What are you basing that on?
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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No. Because it is established law.
Cite it.
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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What are you basing that on?
The text of his book both in the original French and the first seven English translations.
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Cite it.
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It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.


III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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No. Because it is established law.
It has recently become establishment law - not established law.

Stabbing a law hardly establishes law.

Stabbing attempts to kill it - Law, that is!
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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The text of his book both in the original French and the first seven English translations.
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/ICimg/VattelFrench.jpg (broken link)

Des citoyens et naturels
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Furthermore, it goes on to explain the reasoning behind the distinctive requirement of two citizen parents.
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