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A little off-topic, but I find the selection from Vattel's writings problematic regarding paternity. It hasn't been until recently that paternity could be proven, so wouldn't it make more sense to consider one's mother's citizenship paramount?
According to the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama inherited his father's British citizenship, is not a natural born citizen, and according to Thomas Jefferson's logic and opinion, Obama is an alien.
WOW for a second there I thought I was on Hannity forums in their birther thread, much of what
I'm reading here by a certain poster looks like copy and pastes from that thread....
Edit: Too bad I am not allowed to post links from there....
Did you not see the alteration in the COLB posted?
No, no alteration on it. Its a legal birth certificate. You just can't accept facts, and laws, and choose to believe in irrational conspiracy theories.
And, your answer doesn't address my point. Paternity could not yet be proven in Vattel's time, nor was it possible at the time of Obama's birth. In my humble opinion, only maternity should matter.
WOW for a second there I thought I was on Hannity forums in their birther thread, much of what
I'm reading here by a certain poster looks like copy and pastes from that thread.
Could be because they're facts. You can't alter facts and have them remain factually true, so they probably do look similar regardless of who relates them, or wherever else you read them. Much like many different people may tell you the same thing: water is wet.
A little off-topic, but I find the selection from Vattel's writings problematic regarding paternity. It hasn't been until recently that paternity could be proven, so wouldn't it make more sense to consider one's mother's citizenship paramount?
Actually, I posted in another interminable thread on this topic, a link that showed that 10% of kids have a different father than listed on their birth certificates. This is with DNA testing.
As the son of a British citizen, the British Nationality Act of 1948 applies to Obama.
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And, your answer doesn't address my point. Paternity could not yet be proven in Vattel's time, nor was it possible at the time of Obama's birth. In my humble opinion, only maternity should matter.
That's your opinion, but you didn't have a say in what was written into the Constitution or the British Nationality Act of 1948.
I'd love to make up my own laws, too. Wouldn't we all.
Actually, I posted in another interminable thread on this topic, a link that showed that 10% of kids have a different father than listed on their birth certificates. This is with DNA testing.
I've seen the same stats, and it does make the issue of paternity driving citizenship a bit muddy, doesn't it?
As the son of a British citizen, the British Nationality Act of 1948 applies to Obama.
But, doesn't that law apply only within U.K boundaries? All that matters in this situation is the law of the U.S., so I don't believe that debating British citizenship is relevant.
I find this all fascinating, because my spouse was born in Japan to American parents. He has a State Department Certification of Birth. When he was eighteen, he signed a document giving up his right to claim dual citizenship. But, Japan doesn't recognize that document. As he understands it, he could walk into the embassy tomorrow, present his birth certificate, get on a plane headed for Tokyo (without a VISA or passport), and spend the rest of his life there. That said, there has never been any question in his mind that he is an full-fledged American citizen with all the accorded privileges and obligations. Guess it's a good thing he has no desire to be president.
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