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That article from the Honolulu Advertiser proves absolutley nothing about Obama's birth. I have given birth twice. Both times I had a private room and knew nothing about the other patients on maternity floor. Even if I'd had a roommate, I wouldn't have known anyone else.
Yeah... that's my point. It directly contradicts Arus's assertion that "Mrs. Nordyke saw and remembers her there." The article states that in fact, she did not.
They changed the web page which was out of date. They didn't change the requirement.
They changed the requirement after it was widely publicized that even Hawaii's DHHL would not accept Obama's COLB as valid for their purposes.
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The DNC is not trying to establish Hawaiian ethnicity. Different objectives, different requirements.
They were supposed to establish natural born citizen status to verify eligibility. They did not do that.
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Not one that says they were born in Honolulu.
Sure they can. The state of Hawaii will use whatever information they are given. Read the law again:
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...the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.
That 'any person' merely tells the local agent the birth occurred in Honolulu and PRESTO! A Hawaiian COLB that lists the birthplace as Honolulu is acquired.
This, from that site you posted:
Thomas Jefferson: "An alien is the subject or citizen of a foreign power."
Not only was Obama's father a non-citizen and therefore an alien to the U.S. according to Thomas Jefferson's statement (above), but Obama has also already been determined to be an alien to the U.S. (as a British citizen) at birth on his fight the smears website:
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As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack (http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate - broken link)
Your argument here, to be true, would require the Framers to be capable of time travel. While they were undoubtedly gifted men, being able to rend the time-space continuum was probably among the things they were good at.
Not at all. Vattel's meaning is quite clear regardless of which language it was in. In English, to wit:
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§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
A little off-topic, but I find the selection from Vattel's writings problematic regarding paternity. It hasn't been until recently that paternity could be proven, so wouldn't it make more sense to consider one's mother's citizenship paramount?
I can do better than that. I can point out to the only definition that existed in the English language at all. It can be found in Blackstone's Commentaries.
Sorry, but the only citation of Blackstone in the Congressional Record is this:
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Alexander Hamilton: The parliament of Great Britain asserted a supremacy over the whole empire, and the celebrated Judge Blackstone labors for the legality of it, although many parts were not represented. This parliamentary power we opposed as contrary to our colonial rights.
Did you not see the alteration in the COLB posted?
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