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Old 09-08-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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I don't agree with destroying any books, regardless of the content.
In my opinion, this is what should be defended.

If people start burning books we're back on the road to Opernplatz, Berlin 1933.

Rights have nothing to do with this.
Once could have the right to something, it still doesn't justify the actions.

Nazi's had the right under the Nuremburg laws to kick the **** out of the Jews.
Doesn't make their terrorising the Jews right, does it?




You're on slippery ground when you condone behaviour like the pastors.
Here are the differences: (1) The pastor is a private person, not a government or a political party and he's burning his own property. In Germany the Nazi's were burning books that belonged to other people--the Jews. (2) The Nazi's terrorized the Jews. The pastor is not terrorizing anyone. While I support his right to burn the Qu'ran, I would never support his or any other individual's right to physically harm any Muslim or his property.

What he's doing is engaging in free speech which is protected by our constitution. It's like burning the flag, burning a draft card, burning a bra. Offensive to many, but protected, nevertheless.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:08 PM
 
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Nope.
You'd have war if an Imam tried to publicly burn a Bible in America.




Your country murders people.





No, I oppose book burning as explained earlier.
Actually, we would not have a war. People are unhappy about the Mosque being built near Ground Zero, but no one has issued a Fatwa or declared a holy war. We grumble, complain and otherwise civilly express our discontent.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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Well they can choose to be our enemies too.

I understand that.

What's the point of winning them over if we lose who we are in the process?
How is telling this guy it's a bad idea losing ourselves?

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Then they weren't really on the fence.
Because you are a mindreader, right?
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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No you wouldn't,people burn the US flag here,people do not like it but it is free speech,you seem ignorant of the USA but then you do not live here so that might be the issue.
There would be war if an Imam attempted to publicly burn a Bible in America.


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Yes,you oppose free speech,but then you do not have much in the way of freedom so that might be the problem...
I oppose book burning as stated earlier.

And where I come from our law's predate your country's existence by centuries.
In fact your country's laws were borrowed from our own country's statute books.

Laws can be peculiar. You do know that it was legal to kick the **** of Jews under the Nuremburg laws.
You could, if you chose to, literally walk up to a Jew and kill him/her in the street.
And the law would protect you.
Your kind would say that such rights should be protects because those rights are lawful.
Peculiar.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Actually, we would not have a war. People are unhappy about the Mosque being built near Ground Zero, but no one has issued a Fatwa or declared a holy war. We grumble, complain and otherwise civilly express our discontent.
Very true....lost on those who oppose freedom of speech.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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There would be war if an Imam attempted to publicly burn a Bible in America.
I feel that is conjecture, but I generally agree with you on your other points.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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There would be war if an Imam attempted to publicly burn a Bible in America.
Um, no, there wouldnt.
You dont know who we are as a people.
There would be a whole bunch of bitching, just like there is on this thread, but there would NOT be a war.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:14 PM
 
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Very true....lost on those who oppose freedom of speech.
I don't oppose free speech. I think this is a misguided action that will result in deaths, but apparently one more death doesn't matter to you because they are already in a war zone.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:14 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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How is telling this guy it's a bad idea losing ourselves?
Not supporting freedom of speech is,you want him to not do this correct?



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Because you are a mindreader, right?
Because if such a trivial matter turns them into terrorists they weren't on the fence....
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I don't oppose free speech. I think this is a misguided action that will result in deaths, but apparently one more death doesn't matter to you because they are already in a war zone.
Yes you do,you want him to not do this because you disagree with it.

I disagree with the Mosque near ground zero,but it is their right.
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