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Old 09-08-2010, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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Here are the differences: (1) The pastor is a private person, not a government or a political party and he's burning his own property. In Germany the Nazi's were burning books that belonged to other people--the Jews.
The law protecting the right of the pastor, is tantamount to the law which protected the rights of the Nazi's.

The pastors rights and the Nazi rights are protected under their respective laws.
It doesn't make their respective actions right.
It makes their respective actions lawful which is a wholly different issue.

The Nazi's exercised their rights to burn "unGermanic" books.

The pastor makes similar claims when threatening to burn the Qu'ran.




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What he's doing is engaging in free speech which is protected by our constitution. It's like burning the flag, burning a draft card, burning a bra. Offensive to many, but protected, nevertheless.
What he is doing is that he's attempting to justify his actions.

At the Nuremburg trials in 1945/6, the Nazi's cited the Nuremburg laws of 1935 to vindicate their actions.
They claimed that their statutes protected them against prosecution because legally they had the right to terrorise and murder the Jews.
Their "rights" were protected, according to them.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:17 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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There would be war if an Imam attempted to publicly burn a Bible in America.
And you know this from where?

All evidence suggests that there would be a more violent reaction if something like this happened with the Koran in the Middle East.

I really don't like what this pastor is doing, and I don't think that America is a perfect example of tolerance, but I think it's undeniable that basic citizens' rights and freedoms are less respected in Middle Eastern societies than they are here.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:18 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I am glad at least one leftist has come out openly wanting to restrict free speech...thanks.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:19 PM
 
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Not supporting freedom of speech is,you want him to not do this correct?

Because if such a trivial matter turns them into terrorists they weren't on the fence....
I support the right to free speech, but I don't condone his actions or think of them as trivial.

If we were at war with Canada and then they burned the US flag, I'm sure that would incite violence here.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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The law protecting the right of the pastor, is tantamount to the law which protected the rights of the Nazi's.
No, you are wrong.
Go read the Constitution, 1st Amendment.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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And you know this from where?

All evidence suggests that there would be a more violent reaction if something like this happened with the Koran in the Middle East.

I really don't like what this pastor is doing, and I don't think that America is a perfect example of tolerance, but I think it's undeniable that basic citizens' rights and freedoms are less respected in Middle Eastern societies than they are here.
Given the level of gun crime in your country, if an Imam attempted to publicly burn a Bible in America, it highly probable that there would be a violent outcome.

Trying to compare the rights afforded in different jurisdictions is pointless for a number of reasons.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:23 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I support the right to free speech, but I don't condone his actions or think of them as trivial.
Who does condone his actions,we support his right to do it.I personally don't CARE whether Muslims are offended or upset.

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If we were at war with Canada and then they burned the US flag, I'm sure that would incite violence here.
I think you are wrong,we have had people burn the US flag before...
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:24 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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No, you are wrong.
Go read the Constitution, 1st Amendment.
Glad he is on YOUR side....

Lovely little Statist.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:25 PM
 
Location: DFW
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The law protecting the right of the pastor, is tantamount to the law which protected the rights of the Nazi's.

The pastors rights and the Nazi rights are protected under their respective laws.
You are blowing your creditability you might have had comparing these 2 events. There is a huge difference between burning a book and murdering millions of people.

We recognize his right to burn any book he purchases. We may not agree to his actions but it is part if the freedoms that we have that you will never understand.

Next he might want to write a book or do an editorial cartoon that might offend you. I support that right also.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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No, you are wrong.
Go read the Constitution, 1st Amendment.
Not wrong actually.

Rights enshrined by the Nuremburg Laws, gave legal justification for acts which in any normal society would be considered wrong.

Citing laws does not condone the act permitted.
If it did, every Nazi would and should have walked away scot free.
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