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Old 09-08-2010, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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Originally Posted by altlover85 View Post
You could be less condescending.

What does saying that we can "get away" with legal things mean in the context of this event?

In the US free speech is valued. There are a lot of laws that could be used nefariously. There is good and bad in a lot of things.
Hey, I support the concept and notion of free speech.

However the concept of free speech can, and is, abused throughout many countries including the USA.

For example the neo Nazi party in Britain want to stage a rally very close to a particular Jewish area in London.
The local police lodged a claim in court to ban the demonstration citing potential violence.

The neo Nazi's counter sued on the basis "that their RIGHT to freedom of speech and assembly was being denied".
Objectively the law says that there is freedom of speech and assembly.
But in this case the court found that the right to freedom of speech and asembly was being abused in order to allow the assembly of a group of thugs hellbent on violence.

That's what I mean by "getting away".
Where people abuse a right/privilege under the law to deliberately incite
trouble/violence.
Your country would do well to take note.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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You're German, correct?
Incorrect.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Incorrect.
Thank God.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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In my example, say we were at war with Canada and Canadians in the US burned US flags. Don't you think that would insight violence against Canadian soldiers fighting against US soldiers?
LOL...if we were at war with another nation,there would be violence against their soldiers anyway...

And Enemy foreign nationals would be interned in a war.

Okay forget about the analogy,basically you think burning a Koran will make people that might not have otherwise been violent to Americans violent,correct?
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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Right and good law is good law.

Freedom of speech ranks #1 with most of us here in the US and is good law. Try having this argument in China or better yet in the Middle East.

Just because you disagree does not make it bad law.
I didn't suggest that it was bad law.
Nominally it is a good law - people should have the right to freedom of speech.

But like the anecdote of the neo Nazi's who claimed that their freedom of speech was being abused because a court banned them from assembly beside a synogogue, one can see where a "right" and the common good are on a collision course.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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For example the neo Nazi party in Britain want to stage a rally very close to a particular Jewish area in London.
The local police lodged a claim in court to ban the demonstration citing potential violence.

The neo Nazi's counter sued on the basis "that their RIGHT to freedom of speech and assembly was being denied".
Objectively the law says that there is freedom of speech and assembly.
But in this case the court found that the right to freedom of speech and asembly was being abused in order to allow the assembly of a group of thugs hellbent on violence.

That's what I mean by "getting away".
Where people abuse a right/privilege under the law to deliberately incite
trouble/violence.
Your country would do well to take note.
That would be because the UK has no Bill of Rights and the 'rights' of it's people can be changed modified to suit political whims.

It is what happens when you live in a quasi police state.

It is probably a good thing you are over there,the concept of freedom can be a biotch to grasp.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:08 PM
 
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I think it will make some people that might have been thinking about being violent, violent.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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That would be because the UK has no Bill of Rights and the 'rights' of it's people can be changed modified to suit political whims.

It is what happens when you live in a quasi police state.

It is probably a good thing you are over there,the concept of freedom can be a biotch to grasp.
Don't assume that I'm British.

Second, freedom of speech is enshrined in British Law.

Third, your country's entire statute book is based upon centuries of BRITISH COMMON LAW, as explained to you earlier.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:12 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I think it will make some people that might have been thinking about being violent, violent.
They would have been anyway in my opinion...a bit hard to be a fence sitter and to be prone to violent acts.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:13 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Don't assume that I'm British.

Second, freedom of speech is enshrined in British Law.

Third, your country's entire statute book is based on BRITISH COMMON LAW, as explained to you earlier.
Wow,you are a font of (already known) knowledge,good thing you are here.

Interesting that freedom of speech is '' enshrined in British Law'' but can be so easily overturned.

Keep digging.
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