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IF there is a god then why the mystery? What is it afraid of? Why does it hide?
Why does it "work in mysterious ways"?
Why doesn't it just show up, state what it wants clearly without the erroneous interpretation by humans ..and get on with it....
why does he/she allow children and old people suffer from illness and hunger and abuse, or anyone for that matter?
why does he allow war and famine?
why give us free will, so we can murder and do evil?
why doesn't prayer work across the board?
why is everything some think as "evil" the devil's work?
why is your religion the correct one and not one of the many others?
Most philosophers would consider it a progression of logic.
Name one and show me where he called it that.
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Really? What caused you and me to be here, then?
I was proximately caused by a sexual act between my parents. I suspect that your cause was similar.
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What caused the invariant natural law to be put into place?
It was never "put into place." It is a characteristic of the eternal and uncreated universe.
Just as you would probably assert that omnipotence and omniscience are characteristics of your eternal and uncreated God. But of course, since omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive, we can dismiss your god as being internally contradictory and self refuting.
Not so with the universe.
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I agree that there is nothing in this universe that wasn't created...do you?
Close. I agree that there is nothing in the universe that wasn't caused. "Created" presumes a sentient creator, and that would be absurd.
But remember, you actually do not agree with this at all. You believe that there is one thing in the universe that was not created or caused... God.
And before you resume the "definitional punt" regarding God residing "outside" of the universe, I would remind you that God is supposed to be "omnipresent." That would by definition include Him as residing within the universe also.
There are a lot of Canadians that believe in Bigfoot, so
I'm sure there was a lot of uproar over that one
Not so sure why homeopathy is there.
But in general I really like the sign: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence with Allah, Bigfoot, UFOs, Homeopathy, Zeus, Psychics, Christ," written underneath.
Get's the point across quite well But, did they get permission from Sagan's family to use the phrase? I don't think he ever declared himself an atheist.
Look in the mirror, look out your window. Do you honestly think something as complex as nature and the human body just came about by chance from nothing?
Argumentum ad ignorantiam.
Tell me, please do...out of the thousands of gods man claims to exist...which one do you believe in?
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Getting back to the OP.
Shouldn't it be reasonable that the christian beliefs should be respected as much as christians respect other beliefs?
If the universe was eternal, and had existed for trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions x........as in no beginning.....
first of all, we wouldn't have been able to pass an infinite amount of time to get to NOW....but 2nd of all, it would have been totally expanded and cooled off by now.
Wrong and wrong.
It has always been now. So it would take an infinite amount of time to get to the beginning of time... since there is no such thing in the first place.
And of course, the fact that there has been a finite amount of time since the Big bang says exactly nothing about the age of the universe.
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Adam was formed from dirt, eve from his rib.
The dirt was formed from nothing.
Told ya so.
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But, did they get permission from Sagan's family to use the phrase? I don't think he ever declared himself an atheist.