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Old 05-25-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Well I am 23, so please read my post with care, I worry about you.....

You only high light the few successes and hide the countless failures...its OK

So you and people like you will fight to force kids in failing schools, and stand in the walk of them getting a great education to keep special interest happy? Bull Conner would be happy.

Have fun with your straw man and personal attacks...Fewer and Fewer people are listing to your lies.
Oooo sorry. You're 23 and know everything. Got it.

What you are is a convenient tool for the corporations, who know perfectly well how to make profits from our children. They will cut teacher numbers to the bone, starting with the most experienced with higher salaries, then consolidate classes into 50 students or more because they no longer have enough teachers.

They'll reduce all costs by eliminating things such as extracurriculars, sports, maintenance, fuel and non-teaching staff.

Then they'll raise their prices and tell parents when to jump and how high.

Since you know everything at the wise old age of 23, you know perfectly well that this is how private companies achieve "efficiencies." And you support it.

Talk about "standing in the way of education." To you it's just another profit center for your corporate masters. Fewer and fewer people are falling for your BS.

It's hilarious how you folks actually pretend to worry about "tracking" and "dumbing down" classes and have the b***s to turn around and state -- all with a straight face, mind you -- that private companies will be just thrilled to increase the number of teachers so we could actually achieve more homogenous classes which, by definition, must be much smaller.

 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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POTUS is decided via the EC. The Blue Wall, plus Va due to highly educated NOVA, plus NM start Dems around 260.
The Blue Wall wouldn't exist without the high number of poor and under-educated voters in high electoral vote states. Again, it is a matter of FACT that Democrats CANNOT win elections unless they force a significant amount of the population to remain poor/low-income and/or under-educated. They're accomplishing that via our country's public school system, in which 2/3 of all students are functioning below grade-level.

Shall we go over the graduation rates in the big cities, again?

Chicago Public Schools: 65.4%
Los Angeles Unified School District: 66%
New York City Public Schools: 64.7%

2/3 graduate. 1/2 of those are functioning below grade-level. The under-educated and poor demographic groups each vote 63/64% Democrat.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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Which are more cost-effective and yield better results, regardless of sector or field: Government bureaucracies? Or private industry?
They are a HUGE part of the problem. Bad teachers are protected by the unions. Exorbitant teacher salaries plus benefits are demanded by the unions, regardless of how awful a teacher might be.
What kind of "better results" would pay a private company back for its outlay in education? Why in goddess' name do you think the government took over education in the first place?

Profits, not results, are a company's only concern. It baffles me how people like you ,who worship at the altar of capitalism, not only fail to grasp this simple concept, but conveniently overlook the complete absence of a profitable product in what you imagine is the education "business."

News flash: Education costs money, and "better results" are test scores and intelligent students, not money. Private companies are not in the business of spending money for charitable purposes. They would HAVE to destroy our schools to make a profit.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The Blue Wall wouldn't exist without the high number of poor and under-educated voters in high electoral vote states. .
Nonsense. I grew up in Ct (highest median income state in the US), those blue suburbs with high levels of college graduates, the Gold Coast, etc.25 years ago, they were red, and they have higher percentages of college grads NOW.

In the early 90s Bill Clinton asked his friend Robert Rubin why Wall St was GOP turf, as he knew they were socially liberal. Answer: Regs. So regulations were removed, and that East Coast, being socially progressive all along, saw formerly red suburbs go blue.

The poor add to the margins, but it just takes 50% plus 1 to win 100% of the EC. That makes the poor vote you mention EC gravy. The bluish nature of former red burbs is what squashed the GOP. Thank those "clinging to their guns and religion" foks for turning off those former red suburbs.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What kind of "better results" would pay a private company back for its outlay in education?
How do private schools even exist? If what you purport were true, there would be none in existence. That clearly isn't true.
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They would HAVE to destroy our schools to make a profit.
Frankly, because they are so corrupt and ineffective, I'm thinking our country's public school system has to be destroyed, anyway. There simply is no way to turn the system around. It's already failing to adequately educate 2/3 of all students.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oooo sorry. You're 23 and know everything. Got it.

What you are is a convenient tool for the corporations, who know perfectly well how to make profits from our children. They will cut teacher numbers to the bone, starting with the most experienced with higher salaries, then consolidate classes into 50 students or more because they no longer have enough teachers.

They'll reduce all costs by eliminating things such as extracurriculars, sports, maintenance, fuel and non-teaching staff.

Then they'll raise their prices and tell parents when to jump and how high.

Since you know everything at the wise old age of 23, you know perfectly well that this is how private companies achieve "efficiencies." And you support it.

Talk about "standing in the way of education." To you it's just another profit center for your corporate masters. Fewer and fewer people are falling for your BS.

It's hilarious how you folks actually pretend to worry about "tracking" and "dumbing down" classes and have the b***s to turn around and state -- all with a straight face, mind you -- that private companies will be just thrilled to increase the number of teachers so we could actually achieve more homogenous classes which, by definition, must be much smaller.
I could say the same for those that have embraced CC.
Your corporate master for that is Pearson Education.

Follow the money because it's all about the money.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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How do private schools even exist? If what you purport were true, there would be none in existence. That clearly isn't true. Frankly, because they are so corrupt and ineffective, I'm thinking our country's public school system has to be destroyed, anyway. There simply is no way to turn the system around. It's already failing to adequately educate 2/3 of all students.


They make a profit by charging enormous tuition, which isn't a problem for those who can afford it, that being a tiny percentage of the U.S. population. Perhaps those children don't concern you.

They also don't have to meet most government standards, which allows them to hire any fool off the street to "teach" for half the cost of a trained and qualified teacher.

Again, this is simple stuff. How it eludes you, I can't imagine.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Nonsense.
You're only fooling yourself. Democrat votes are heavily concentrated in the poverty-ridden areas of CA, NY, IL, etc. The sheer number of the under-educated and poor voters overwhelms the rest of the state. Inner-city and low-income suburban areas vote Democrat.

For example, look at Illinois:




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Old 05-25-2014, 01:56 PM
 
Location: NJ
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They make a profit by charging enormous tuition, which isn't a problem for those who can afford it, that being a tiny percentage of the U.S. population. Perhaps those children don't concern you.

They also don't have to meet most government standards, which allows them to hire any fool off the street to "teach" for half the cost of a trained and qualified teacher.

Again, this is simple stuff. How it eludes you, I can't imagine.
In addition to this worship of all NOT public schoools, we have

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Old 05-25-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post


They make a profit by charging enormous tuition, which isn't a problem for those who can afford it, that being a tiny percentage of the U.S. population. Perhaps those children don't concern you.

They also don't have to meet most government standards, which allows them to hire any fool off the street to "teach" for half the cost of a trained and qualified teacher.

Again, this is simple stuff. How it eludes you, I can't imagine.
There are quite a number of private schools that don't charge all that much that middle class families use.
$400/month for 10 months is not unreasonable and they give discounts for siblings.

Private schools in the Austin Tx area:
http://www.austinchamber.com/site-se...hools-list.pdf
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