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Free speech? The right to yell fire in a crowded theater is NOT protected speech. The same way declaring open season and hang em high before a jury gets convened is not an entitlement of free speech.
Perhaps the point could be made clearer if I offered a 2 cent reward to anyone willing to assassinate Palin. You people are beyond out of control. Way beyond the pale.
More puffery. She quits her job as Governor and still gets to keep the job title. All of the glamor, none of the responsibility. Conduct yourselves egregiously with authoritarian airs and crown yourselves heroes. Despicable vile faux leadership. A disgrace to the Republican name. Shame!
I thought the RW was opposed to Scientology, felt it wasn't really a religion. (I happen to agree with that assessment, FWIW.)
I'm not religious, so I wouldn't know.
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Sanrene..weren't you in support of the hackers that exposed the data that caused the unraveling of Copenhagen .."climate-gate" ?
Why the change of face now ? You're ok with the USG condoning and helping to cover up Dyncorp drugging young boys and providing them for sex parties in Afghanistan ?
So when the right talking heads say exposure is good..the Repubs jump on board (climategate)
But when the same talking heads say exposure is bad..you want to assassinate the guy.
HYPOCRITE is the word that comes to mind for the Repubs that cheered climategate because they were against the Dems and cap&trade but sneer at Assange exposing the US for the corrupt gov it is.
You can't have it both ways..ok when your side benefits and not ok when your side is exposed.
And some of these leaks are Obama administration leaks.
One would think I would be cheering assange because his efforts are hurting obama, but this different.
The leaks are putting lives at risk, whether our soldiers or the men and women who work for the government around the world.
A comparison of the way the press treated Climategate to Wikileaks, well, there is NO comparison. The press tried their best to ignore Climategate, the NYTimes even going so far as to say because the emails where apparently "stolen", they would not be reprinting or covering the story.
They had no such qualms with wikileaks. Now you can use hypocrite in that context.
Oh come now. I know you're not that naive to believe these "hacktivists", who have taken up assanges' cause (you do then admit he is a far lefty, right?) as their own, to go so far as to attack businesses, service providers, individuals, banks, credit card companies.........surely we can connect the dots, can't we?
They are championing HIS cause, they are defending HIM, the man who is intent on destroying US FP, putting men and women around the globe in danger, who is an anti-war zealot..he is basically an anarchist and this group is behind him all the way, willing to take up his expose of US FP after the attack on wikileaks, willing to continue the leaks, willing to put lives in danger. I consider these people, wherever they are, but mostly in Europe I believe, to be far beyond even US far lefties - these are the true anarchist/communist/socialist/far-leftists all rolled into one.
I do not admit he is a lefty or a righty or anything else other than he is a male from another country who helped create a website with the intent of leaking various information. Early on, no one even paid attention to this group, but once it split over ideological and management disagreements, then like many things, various trains of thought collided.
As far as these (cute nickname) "hacktivist", they are people who believe that information should be freely disseminated to everyone and that secrets held by various governments, companies, people and groups are generally secret to protect nefarious activities. Now you can agree or disagree with all the many many reasons that many many people have for doing what they do but to simply label this collective group as "leftist" is naive and wishful thinking of anyone who wants to slap labels on anything they don't understand.
Its the binary manner of ignorant thinking that many people wish to dilute everything in the world down to left and right, right and wrong, good and evil, etc.. etc... as though the whole world fits in one of two boxes which are clearly labeled by those with an ax to grind.
Sorry but the world is a bit more nuanced, complex and gray than just "leftist hacktivist" Sounds like something Palin would have tweeted.
As long time supporter of Ron Paul, I can assure you that there are many from various factions and groups with much more right leaning politics who take the concept of, now get this.... LIBERTY, very seriously. Now I may disagree with the methods being employed and I may disagree with the manner in which these people operate under, but I do understand a bit more WHY they are doing this and it isn't a matter of left and right as you distill everything under the sun down to.
Yet after all this back and forth you have still yet to provide any proof that the attacks against Palin's Facebook were the acts of a "leftist" group. The reason is because you made it up based upon how you perceive this situation, which is much how you seem to perceive every situation.
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No doubt, I had to laugh when I read that. Any ill in the world eventually is because of somebody on the "left." LOL, sure thing...
Well there are those on the left who do much the same when discussing anything Tea Party related, so its not indicative of any side but more of a sign of the times.
Sometimes people do things because they simply disagree with some issue or act, not because of any political lean or a political agenda. I can point to my own views on our current wars, as I've slammed Obama as much as I slammed Bush because I disagree with the war, I could care less what the Presidents political faction is. Just as there are people who believe in true transparency, free speech, or whatever cause.
It's pretty lulzy to ascribe all these ideological motivations to Anon. It's mostly a reactionary banner and it's targets range from the Australian and Iranian governments to the church of Scientology, a British woman who threw a cat into a rubbish bin and Gene Simmons. Anon goes after whoever Anon can get enough people to go after. This group of anons hitting Palin, Mastercard, Visa, PostFinance and the Swedish government were originally going after overzealous anti-piracy companies.
She's no better than Grayson.
You call for someone's assassination and tell people he should be hunted down like Al Queda then you deserve whatever reaction people give.
Palin is nothing more than a loose cannon and as the above poster stated..an attention hoar (misspelled on purpose).
Oh please... He should be hunted down like the dog he is.
I do not admit he is a lefty or a righty or anything else other than he is a male from another country who helped create a website with the intent of leaking various information. Early on, no one even paid attention to this group, but once it split over ideological and management disagreements, then like many things, various trains of thought collided.
As far as these (cute nickname) "hacktivist", they are people who believe that information should be freely disseminated to everyone and that secrets held by various governments, companies, people and groups are generally secret to protect nefarious activities. Now you can agree or disagree with all the many many reasons that many many people have for doing what they do but to simply label this collective group as "leftist" is naive and wishful thinking of anyone who wants to slap labels on anything they don't understand.
Its the binary manner of ignorant thinking that many people wish to dilute everything in the world down to left and right, right and wrong, good and evil, etc.. etc... as though the whole world fits in one of two boxes which are clearly labeled by those with an ax to grind.
Sorry but the world is a bit more nuanced, complex and gray than just "leftist hacktivist" Sounds like something Palin would have tweeted.
As long time supporter of Ron Paul, I can assure you that there are many from various factions and groups with much more right leaning politics who take the concept of, now get this.... LIBERTY, very seriously. Now I may disagree with the methods being employed and I may disagree with the manner in which these people operate under, but I do understand a bit more WHY they are doing this and it isn't a matter of left and right as you distill everything under the sun down to.
Yet after all this back and forth you have still yet to provide any proof that the attacks against Palin's Facebook were the acts of a "leftist" group. The reason is because you made it up based upon how you perceive this situation, which is much how you seem to perceive every situation.
Well there are those on the left who do much the same when discussing anything Tea Party related, so its not indicative of any side but more of a sign of the times.
Sometimes people do things because they simply disagree with some issue or act, not because of any political lean or a political agenda. I can point to my own views on our current wars, as I've slammed Obama as much as I slammed Bush because I disagree with the war, I could care less what the Presidents political faction is. Just as there are people who believe in true transparency, free speech, or whatever cause.
Dude, wake the heck up. They are ultra left anarchists and socialists. You don't care that we have a Marxist president who wants to take this country down? That explains why you post what you post.
Isn't this the same group of far leftists who claim free sppech for one and all? Transparency? No secret should be safe? And yet, when Palin took to her vehicle of free speech, her Facebook page to denounce Assange and his tactics, his supporters/hackers want to deny her the free speech they claim for Assange and Wikileaks by attacking her personal information and website.
Hackers like to always do criminal things, so lets just hope some are found and made wonderful examoles of in jail.
Bunches of people get hacked, not just Palin IMO.
Dude, wake the heck up. They are ultra left anarchists and socialists. You don't care that we have a Marxist president who wants to take this country down? That explains why you post what you post.
Um, excuse me, but people who believe in free information are from a broad range of the political spectrum. A number of them are Libertarians, for instance.
Marxist president? Real Marxists hate Obama, who is just another avatar for crony capitalism. I do sincerely apologise that the world doesn't fit into your nice little dichotomy. Sorry, but you'll have to do a bit more thinking than that.
Um, excuse me, but people who believe in free information are from a broad range of the political spectrum. A number of them are Libertarians, for instance.
As I stated earlier, the Anon folks come from all walk of life. I know one thats a soccer mom, and another who is a nurse.
They actually find it pretty amusing that so much disinformation is spread about them.
Um, excuse me, but people who believe in free information are from a broad range of the political spectrum. A number of them are Libertarians, for instance.
Marxist president? Real Marxists hate Obama, who is just another avatar for crony capitalism. I do sincerely apologise that the world doesn't fit into your nice little dichotomy. Sorry, but you'll have to do a bit more thinking than that.
you're lost in space. The hackers that are doing this are anarchists and belong to a Democratic Socialist group. Try learning something before just spouting off. Yes Obama is a true Marxist. The reason why Marxists and Communists aren't happy with him is because he didn't make himself a dictator yet. That's what they want.
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