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Low earners are eligible for Medicaid. They're covered. They get the medical care they need.
https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/02_AreYouEligible_.asp (broken link)
Quoting wiki here, but this seems to contradict you
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Some Americans do not qualify for government-provided health insurance, are not provided health insurance by an employer, and are unable to afford, cannot qualify for, or choose not to purchase, private health insurance. When charity or "uncompensated" care is not available, they sometimes simply go without needed medical treatment. This problem has become a source of considerable political controversy on a national level.
International Comparison Access Timeliness - The Commonwealth Fund (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Performance-Snapshots/International-Comparisons/International-Comparison--Access---Timeliness.aspx - broken link)
Last edited by florida.bob; 12-13-2010 at 01:06 PM..
France and Germany are hardly spiralling out of control.
The bail-out countries are irrevelant to the healthcare discussion.
I imagine Germany fits into your definition of success? You know, being an economic powerhouse and all...
OK, sounds good. Now let's consider Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Greece, and Italy's UHC plans. Do any of them provide top notch care for those who get the "free" care?
I disagree to your notion that bailout countries are irrelevant. The fact they require a bailout implies they have fiscal problems. Also, Germany recently closed down its borders, figuratively speaking. Their immigration policy is tightening up, probably as a result of their reservations regarding outsiders wanting to come into the country and suck from the system.
Really? Show the stats of Americans waiting 3 years for cardiac surgery.
And we don't have 'nothing at all.' We have Medicaid.
OTOH, the US is the only developed country which has hospitals closing and going under due to not being able to make a profit, and if a shortage of hospitals exist, then the waits are going to be longer.
TBF, the free market people on this issue do have some valid points. US medical schools have caps on admissions in order to maximize profits for existing doctors, and many (but not all) US states ban Latin American doctors from practicing (unexpectedly, California despite its large Latino population is one of them, although not surprisingly Florida allows Latin American doctors to practice) due to AMA lobbying to keep down the number of doctors. However, there has never been any attempt to put Milton Friedman's free market solution to health care (increasing the supply of doctors through immigration and ending medical school caps in order to bring the price of medical care down) into practice in the US, and you'd have difficulty finding any US politicians other than Ron Paul who'd favor such measures.
The NHS has its problems and Brits often complain about it.
Very few would like it done away with, however. It's seen by even people on the right side of the political spectrum as a "necessary evil". Something that for all its problems is preferable to nothing like it existing at all.
FWIW there are long waits for critical care in the US as well.
Everyone complains about their health care system. We do it in the US, the Brits do it over the NHS, the French do it, the Germans do it and the Swiss do it. But the fact remains that all these systems offer first class health at a fraction of the per capita cost we pay here. Yes, there can be waits for certain treatment but, overall, it works and this is borne out by life expectancy and infant mortality statistics across these different countries.
In the UK, there is no significant call to get rid of the NHS. Overall, Brits think that their system is as good, fairer and a lot cheaper than the US system. It would be political suicide for any political part in the UK to try to get rid of it. You can throw out this statistic and that statistic but that will not change the reality.
Low earners are eligible for Medicaid. They're covered. They get the medical care they need.
https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/02_AreYouEligible_.asp (broken link)
There are some of us who make too much for Medicare, yet healthcare is still too expensive for us, due to pre-existing conditions and other factors.
OK, sounds good. Now let's consider Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Greece, and Italy's UHC plans. Do any of them provide top notch care for those who get the "free" care?
The Italian health care system is considered amongst the world's best. The WHO ranks Greece's as pretty good:
The other countries mentioned are rated as worse than the US. (In fact Hungary, where my ancestors left to come to the US, comes out even worse than Kazakhstan!) As for bailout countries not mentioned, Spain's considered excellent, Portugal and Iceland are rated quite good, Ireland's rated quite well, (Kind of a national shame for America that Morocco has a better health care system!)
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I disagree to your notion that bailout countries are irrelevant. The fact they require a bailout implies they have fiscal problems. Also, Germany recently closed down its borders, figuratively speaking. Their immigration policy is tightening up, probably as a result of their reservations regarding outsiders wanting to come into the country and suck from the system.
Germany made the mistake of wanting an expanded EU in order to be the driving force behind the EU as opposed to its former shared dominance with France. Not the first time there have been negative externalities of Germany wanting to expand its influence (although certainly more benign than previous attempts....)
I guess me being force to have car insurance is unconstitutional LMAO
Completely different.
Your car can cause harm to another persons car or cause harm to them physically, so we need to make sure that losers wont get away with damaging another person property or physically and run from it.
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