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Old 02-15-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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See, this is what happens when the government intrudes in the free market by trying to pick winners and losers based on it's preference and a potload of money.

Can't force people to buy what they don't want or need.

This has nothing to do with unit sales or profits or anything else related to the running of the business. It's simply one group's evaluation of the most "green" vehicles.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Nissan is majority owned by Renault which is partially owned by the French state. Don't let facts get in your way though and, please, continue to babble talking points.
Also, both companies don't have health insurance costs because both countries have universal government health care.

I guess this is just the OP's way of supporting socialized medicine.

Toyota has also sought assitance from the Japanese government, but facts never got in the way of a conservative trying to make a point.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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See, this is what happens when the government intrudes in the free market by trying to pick winners and losers based on it's preference and a potload of money.

Can't force people to buy what they don't want or need.
It really bothers you that GM is doing well. Just admit it.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Sorry, that seems a silly reason to cheer AGAINST a bunch of hard working, middle-class American families (of which I was one - my dad was an electrician for GM in Lansing, MI for 34 years), to me.

Enjoy yourself.
Did you cheer the end of East Germany? What about all of those hard working ordinary Stasi workers, clerks and data entry people, suddenly out of a job? What did they do to deserve unemployment?

Enjoy yourself
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks View Post
Not only are you wrong about the current state of GM and the industry, you can't even spell "fail."

Leave political conversations to the adults.


Ahhh...It must be hard for you going through life being so perfect.




First GM claimed they paid back all their money,but forgot to tell you it was with more borrowed money!

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As it turns out, the Obama administration put $13.4 billion of the aid money as "working capital" in an escrow account when the company was in bankruptcy. The company is using this escrow money—government money—to pay back the government loan.
GM's Phony Bailout Payback - Reason Magazine



Plus they screwed their shareholders and now want people to reinvest in them? Just the sort of company I want to do business with.The Volt will be a total FAIL,yes I spelled it right this time!
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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Ahhh...It must be hard for you going through life being so perfect.




First GM claimed they paid back all their money,but forgot to tell you it was with more borrowed money!



GM's Phony Bailout Payback - Reason Magazine



Plus they screwed their shareholders and now want people to reinvest in them? Just the sort of company I want to do business with.The Volt will be a total FAIL,yes I spelled it right this time!
You should get off the Internet. It is a government creation.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Ahhh...It must be hard for you going through life being so perfect.




First GM claimed they paid back all their money,but forgot to tell you it was with more borrowed money!



GM's Phony Bailout Payback - Reason Magazine



Plus they screwed their shareholders and now want people to reinvest in them? Just the sort of company I want to do business with.The Volt will be a total FAIL,yes I spelled it right this time!
b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut GM told me they earned a profit and that people said I should take an accounting course to understand that.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Harrison, OH
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I'm surprised there isn't more talk about the Civic GX. It's been a high MPG car for years now.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You should get off the Internet. It is a government creation.
vBulletin is not. Neither is XML, the application servers running the sites, or the operating systems that run the nodes these bytes are transmitted on.

The internet simply provides the communication stack. One can say the same thing about the English language, since it's sort of a government creation also. We're communicating using it. Should those who aren't into big government stop using the English language?
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:40 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Did you cheer the end of East Germany? What about all of those hard working ordinary Stasi workers, clerks and data entry people, suddenly out of a job? What did they do to deserve unemployment?

Enjoy yourself
Uh, no I didn't, as a matter of fact. What does the Stasi have to do with this discussion?

I'm glad to see that you don't have a rational reason to cheer against thousands of middle-class American families, though.

I'm not happy that the Gov needed to bail out GM, but I certainly don't hope for GM's failure now that they have. I see no reason why anyone would, honestly, and so far you've not expressed why you feel that way.
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