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Can you READ the word OPTIONAL.....don't want to watch....don't go to the lecture...problem solved...move on! Some folks are just obsessed with sex...every thread.
Can you READ the thread. Lots of arguments here. Read them.
I've read the thread. I haven't seen any valid arguments against his actions. Just a lot of repressed beliefs that sexuality should be hidden away as shameful. Nothing objective, though.
I've read the thread. I haven't seen any valid arguments against his actions. Just a lot of repressed beliefs that sexuality should be hidden away as shameful. Nothing objective, though.
Quick synopsis:
Professor/Student Relationship negates the completely "optional" aspect.
Was probably an intro course (judging by 500 students in class) Not Doctoral Level Study that perhaps would warrant such an in-depth "study."
College level students are capable of reading comprehension - no need for preschool methods of live presentations.
Students were probably adults - but barely.
Most people would find this objectionable; taxpayers who help fund government scholorships & research grants. Parents paying kids' tuition. Not to mention the Principal of this private institution who has come out against it.
Actually, it was optional and, according to the professor, everybody who voluntarily attended was made well aware of what they would view.
Are you another one interested in regulating the lives of grown adults?
Yeah, so well aware that many got up and left. Were they aware that a live performance was going to take place?
Either you do not read, or you purposely ignore the points many others have made in this thread against this Professor.
What regulation of the lives of "grown" adults? It has nothing to do with the kids. It has to do with the actions of the Professor, and how he used a campus facility to put on a sex toy show. And who paid for it?
Not to mention....what was the point and how did some live sex show tie in to his curriculum?
Professor/Student Relationship negates the completely "optional" aspect.
Was probably an intro course (judging by 500 students in class) Not Doctoral Level Study that perhaps would warrant such an in-depth "study."
College level students are capable of reading comprehension - no need for preschool methods of live presentations.
Students were probably adults - but barely.
Most people would find this objectionable; taxpayers who help fund government scholorships & research grants. Parents paying kids' tuition. Not to mention the Principal of this private institution who has come out against it.
Human sexuality is typically a 100 level course. In my private college and at my DH's state university, it was a required class. Had to get that liberal arts requirement in, no matter your major.
There was no POINT. Where was the "teaching/learning factor"? Did students participate? What did they learn from it that they couldn't have learned from watching a porno or on their own?
The professor has a fetish and he wanted to share it.
Here's the issue: This was done ON campus. Why didn't he take it off campus?
Take it off campus to where exactly? And if he had, wouldn't you have thought that something potentially strange was going on. There's a safety in an educational setting for such a thing. Certainly sex-related research is conducted on campus, including this professor's research.
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Did the professor or teacher CLEAR it with the head of his department first?
Short answer--no. Here's his account: " + artTitle.replace("-","") + " - " + "The Daily Northwestern" + " - " + "Campus" + " (http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/campus/prof-john-michael-bailey-issues-statement-on-after-class-event-controversy-1.2503135?recent=9 - broken link)
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Did the professor/teacher pay for the show out of his own pocket?
"The university will pay several hundred dollars to guest lecturer Ken Melvoin-Berg, co-owner of Weird Chicago Tours. His Feb. 21 discussion of bondage, swinging and other sexual fetishes was arranged by Bailey, who gets extra funding from the university’s College of Arts & Sciences for lectures and other activities he routinely holds after class." Live sex toy demonstration held on Northwestern campus - chicagotribune.com
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What was the intention? Where's the educational factor?
Both links address this. And certainly in-person observation of human phenomena is a pretty common educational method used to supplement readings on a topic. Is this topic controversial? Absolutely. Is an in-person observation of this topic even more controversial? Absolutely. Does this mean that there is no educational value in it? Absolutely not.
Take it off campus to where exactly? And if he had, wouldn't you have thought that something potentially strange was going on. There's a safety in an educational setting for such a thing. Certainly sex-related research is conducted on campus, including this professor's research.
Rent a theater, a hall, etc., Safety? They're adults, aren't they? Can make good decisions?
Obviously the school had no idea what he was doing. The campus shouldn't have been used as a facility for him to promote his sexual hang-ups/fetish.
Research? He wasn't doing research. He said something along the line of that it "tied into" his course.
He's now a sex-scientist?
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"The university will pay several hundred dollars to guest lecturer Ken Melvoin-Berg, co-owner of Weird Chicago Tours. His Feb. 21 discussion of bondage, swinging and other sexual fetishes was arranged by Bailey, who gets extra funding from the university’s College of Arts & Sciences for lectures and other activities he routinely holds after class." Live sex toy demonstration held on Northwestern campus - chicagotribune.com
Does he bring in live examples for these too? Or are they just "discussions" and "lectures"?
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Both links address this. And certainly in-person observation of human phenomena is a pretty common educational method used to supplement readings on a topic.
At what course level?
And why the "uproar" if this situation isn't a typical, day-to-day practice of any Human Sexuality Professor...are you forgetting or ignoring the fact that NW doesn't approve of what he did?
Of course he didn't "clear it". And he has no excuse for not doing so.
Rent a theater, a hall, etc., Safety? They're adults, aren't they? Can make good decisions?
What does being an adult have to do with it? And if you don't get the concept of safety as it relates to place and circumstance, then oh well.
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Obviously the school had no idea what he was doing. The campus shouldn't have been used as a facility for him to promote his sexual hang-ups/fetish.
Are gynecologists fetishists because of what they do? This professor deals in human sexuality. I have a feeling that you think that his area of study automatically makes him a fetishist, which isn't necessarily the case.
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Research? He wasn't doing research. He said something along the line of that it "tied into" his course.
I was referencing the scholarly research that he has conducted.
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He's now a sex-scientist?
Yes. Do you think that you earn a full professorship at Northwestern for teaching alone?
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Does he bring in live examples for these too? Or are they just "discussions" and "lectures"?
The topic was on fetishes. I imagine that those things were discussed by the guest speaker involved in all of this. Probably not time for a demonstration of everything discussed, however.
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At what course level?
At all course levels. I imagine that it has more to do with the area study. Certainly in-person observation is common in education, for instance, even at the entry-level.
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And why the "uproar" if this situation isn't a typical, day-to-day practice of any Human Sexuality Professor...
Huh? It caused an uproar because this particular kind of in-person observation (not the method of in-person observation) is NOT typical. Doesn't mean that there isn't educational value in it, however, which is what I think you are attempting to get at.
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are you forgetting or ignoring the fact that NW doesn't approve of what he did?
So? There's such a thing as academic freedom. The administration doesn't have to approve of everything tenured professors do. And I'm sure the university doesn't mind the sex-related research that he does and the grant money that it brings in. That being said, what Bailey did is definitely edgey and how could the President of the university not say what he said given the publicness of the situation at this point. But as earlier posts point out, not everyone in the administration agrees with the President's position.
Well, the public has been made aware of this, the University President has come out against it and the Professor involved has issued an apology so I guess its time to move on...
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Some folks are just obsessed with sex...every thread.
