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They did not accept the planned restrictions on collective bargaining, which the state cannot afford to continue given the $3.6 billion budget deficit Dem Governor Doyle left Walker.
Public employees forcing taxpayers to pay more = extremely bad form
Why so greedy?
WI taxpayers are quite aware that the public employees are greedily trying to stick it to them.
The state workers are not the ONLY source of possible cuts in the state budget - just the ONE that YOU seem to PREFER.
Tax increases are not the ONLY source of possible revenue increases for the state - just the ONE that YOU seem FIXATED ON. As I've ALREADY STATED, state revenues go UP and down ALL THE TIME based on improvements or degeneration of the economy. State revenues will climb as the economy improves - the same way it ALWAYS does.
Ken
I agree that they arent the only possible source.. But I have yet to hear how BILLIONS will be made up.. Is there a plan?
They did not accept the planned restrictions on collective bargaining, which the state cannot afford to continue given the $3.6 billion budget deficit Dem Governor Doyle left Walker.
Public employees forcing taxpayers to pay more = extremely bad form
Why so greedy?
WI taxpayers are quite aware that the public employees are greedily trying to stick it to them.
You are like a broken record - just repeating the same nonsensical and unsubstantiated argument over and over and over and over again - as if somehow magically that will make it reality.
You have NO evidence that the ONLY solution to future budget problems depend on the unions giving up their collective bargaining rights - NONE, NADA, ZIP.
The governor asked the unions to make pay & pension concessions and the union GAVE THEM. The demand that the unions give up their collective bargaining rights make NO difference in the current budget - and NO ONE can show how much (if ANY) they will make in future budgets because NO ONE - including YOU - knows WHAT the future will bring or what the unions will ask for in future bargaining sessions (or what the state will agree to).
I agree that they arent the only possible source.. But I have yet to hear how BILLIONS will be made up.. Is there a plan?
First of all the "billions" number you keep throwing around is a very "soft" figure. At this point NO ONE really knows what the REAL number will turn out to be.
Secondly - as I've ALREADY pointed out - no one - not YOU or anyone ELSE can show that the unions giving up their bargaining rights will result in ONE CENT of future savings - for the simple reason that no one - not YOU or anyone ELSE can know what the unions will ask for in future bargaining sessions or what the state will AGREE to in those sessions.
When you can PROVE exactly HOW MUCH the state will save in the future because the unions has lost it's bargaining rights THEN you may have a valid argument - but as near as I can tell you are no Nostrodamus.
You are like a broken record - just repeating the same nonsensical and unsubstantiated argument over and over and over and over again - as if somehow magically that will make it reality.
Here's Dem Governor Doyle's administration ADMITTING the deficit Doyle left Walker:
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Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle's administration on Friday told Republican Governor-elect Scott Walker that he would have to cope with a $2.2 billion deficit in the state's upcoming two-year budget, but this brighter-than-expected forecast contained more than $1 billion in hidden pain.
To arrive at the favorable estimate, the Doyle administration's estimate assumed that Walker and lawmakers would make spending cuts that have yet to actually happen - two more years of state employee furloughs, no pay raises, a virtual hiring freeze and belt tightening in state health programs. Without that $1.1 billion in savings, the state's projected shortfall rises to $3.3 billion - a significant increase over previous estimates that put the gap at between $2.7 billion and $3.1 billion.
The actual deficit is a little higher than Doyle's estimate at $3.6 billion.
Let's see you debunk Doyle's administration's own admission since you claim it's 'unsubstantiated.'
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You have NO evidence that the ONLY solution to future budget problems depend on the unions giving up their collective bargaining rights - NONE, NADA, ZIP.
That's only one very small part of the plan to address the multi-billion dollar budget deficit Doyle left Walker. Other cuts are being made, too. A $3.6 billion deficit means A LOT of cuts have to be made. Don't for a minute think the public employees are the only ones having to make sacrifices. Though true to form, they're the only ones being crybabies about it.
Here's Dem Governor Doyle's administration ADMITTING the deficit Doyle left Walker:Report on Wisconsin
The actual deficit is a little higher than Doyle's estimate at $3.6 billion.
Let's see you debunk Doyle's administration's own admission since you claim it's 'unsubstantiated.'
Those are PROJECTIONS - not the actual amount of the deficit. NO ONE KNOWS what the actual amount will be because NO ONE knows how much the revenues will be over the next 2 years.
That's only one very small part of the plan to address the multi-billion dollar budget deficit Doyle left Walker. Other cuts are being made, too. A $3.6 billion deficit means A LOT of cuts have to be made. Don't for a minute think the public employees are the only ones having to make sacrifices. Though true to form, they're the only ones being crybabies about it.
As said many, many, many times - the unions AGREED to the CUTS - the only thing they baulked at was the loss of bargaining rights - something for which you cannot show would neccessily result in a SINGLE CENT of savings over that 2 year period. In fact, since the agreements with the unions have ALREADY been made there would ZERO IMPACT on the buget in question - ZERO. If the state needs to trim the budget even more they'll have to find it elsewhere - they certainly won't find in action of taking collective bargaining from the unions.
Ken
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