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Old 03-30-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Rebecca O'Neill (September 2002)
Link to PDF
Summary
The Experiment
Fewer children live with both their mother and their father
Routes into the fatherless family
Divorce
Births outside marriage
Changes in marriage and cohabitation
Is the married two-parent family a thing of the past?
Most people still believe in the ideal of marriage and do, in fact, get married
The Results: How does the Fatherless Family Affect Adults, Children and Society?
Lone mothers
Are poorer
Are more likely to suffer from stress, depression, and other emotional and psychological problems
Have more health problems
May have more problems interacting with their children
Non-resident biological fathers
Are at risk of losing contact with their children
Are more likely to have health problems and engage in high-risk behaviour
Children living without their biological fathers
Are more likely to live in poverty and deprivation
Have more trouble in school
Tend to have more trouble getting along with others
Have higher risk of health problems
Are at greater risk of suffering physical, emotional, or sexual abuse.
Are more likely to run away from home
Teenagers living without their biological fathers
Are more likely to experience problems with sexual health
Are more likely to become teenage parents
Are more likely to offend
Are more likely to smoke
Are more likely to drink alcohol
Are more likely to take drugs
Are more likely to play truant from school
Are more likely to be excluded from school
Are more likely to leave school at 16
Are more likely to have adjustment problems
Young adults who grew up not living with their biological fathers
Are less likely to attain qualifications
Are more likely to experience unemployment
Are more likely to have low incomes
Are more likely be on income support
Are more likely to experience homelessness
Are more likely to be caught offending and go to jail
Are more likely to suffer from long term emotional and psychological problems
Are more likely to develop health problems
Tend to enter partnerships earlier and more often as a cohabitation
Are more likely to divorce or dissolve their cohabiting unions
Are more likely to have children outside marriage or outside any partnership................
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Old 03-30-2011, 08:37 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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source (http://www.brookings.edu/views/testimony/haskins/20051006.pdf - broken link)
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........America is engaged in a great experiment to test whether millions of our children can be properly reared without providing them with a stable, two-parent environment during childhood. For the past four decades, the demographic markers of stable two-parent families have disintegrated.
Marriage rates have declined precipitously, divorce rates rose and then stabilized at a high level, and nonmarital births increased dramatically at a rapid rate until roughly the mid-1990s and have continued to increase, albeit at a slower rate, since then.1

One of the first social scientists to notice these developments was an obscure sociologist in the Department of Labor by the name of Daniel Patrick Moynihan. In 1965 he wrote a famous paper on the black family, arguing that family dissolution was the major reason black Americans were not making more social and economic progress in America.2 At that time, the nonmarital birth rate for blacks was around 25 percent. Today the percentage for blacks is 70. Now both Hispanics, at about 45 percent, and whites, at about 25 percent, equal or exceed the level of nonmarital births that Moynihan saw as alarming. Indeed, over 33 percent of all our nation’s children are now born outside marriage – well above the rate Moynihan saw as alarming in 1965.3...........
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Old 03-30-2011, 08:40 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Research Confirms Two Parents Better Than One
By Lindsay Mitchell
Research published in the July 2007 on-line journal of the International Child and Youth Care Network confirms that the best environment for children to be raised in is with two biological married parents.

Welfare commentator Lindsay Mitchell says the research is significant for two reasons. "Firstly it represents meta-analyses of large numbers of studies, and second, it appears in a non-political, non-religious forum."

"Changes in US family structure are similar to those experienced in New Zealand, if not quite as dramatic. For instance in 2005, 36.8 percent of US births were non-marital compared to 45.2 percent in New Zealand."

Paul Amato, professor of sociology at Pennsylvania State University, examined the effect of family formation on children and what accounted for the differences between children raised by two biological parents and those raised by one. He looks at a variety of situations for children including having happily married parents, unhappily married parents, divorced parents, co-habiting parents, one parent from birth, step-parents and a widowed parent.

Overall the evidence is consistent that parental divorce during childhood is linked with a wide range of problems in adulthood. Similarly children growing up with a single parent because they were born out of marriage are more likely to experience a variety of emotional and behavioural problems. He says, "Specifically, compared with children who grew up in stable, two-parent families children born outside marriage reach adulthood with less education, earn less income, have lower occupational status, are more likely to be idle (that is , not employed and not in school), are more likely to have a non-marital birth (among daughters) have more troubled marriages, experience higher rates of divorce and report more symptoms of depression.'" .......
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista
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source
Rebecca O'Neill (September 2002)
Link to PDF
Summary
The Experiment
Fewer children live with both their mother and their father
Routes into the fatherless family
Divorce
Births outside marriage
Changes in marriage and cohabitation
Is the married two-parent family a thing of the past?
Most people still believe in the ideal of marriage and do, in fact, get married
The Results: How does the Fatherless Family Affect Adults, Children and Society?
Lone mothers
Are poorer
Are more likely to suffer from stress, depression, and other emotional and psychological problems
Have more health problems
May have more problems interacting with their children
Non-resident biological fathers
Are at risk of losing contact with their children
Are more likely to have health problems and engage in high-risk behaviour
Children living without their biological fathers
Are more likely to live in poverty and deprivation
Have more trouble in school
Tend to have more trouble getting along with others
Have higher risk of health problems
Are at greater risk of suffering physical, emotional, or sexual abuse.
Are more likely to run away from home
Teenagers living without their biological fathers
Are more likely to experience problems with sexual health
Are more likely to become teenage parents
Are more likely to offend
Are more likely to smoke
Are more likely to drink alcohol
Are more likely to take drugs
Are more likely to play truant from school
Are more likely to be excluded from school
Are more likely to leave school at 16
Are more likely to have adjustment problems
Young adults who grew up not living with their biological fathers
Are less likely to attain qualifications
Are more likely to experience unemployment
Are more likely to have low incomes
Are more likely be on income support
Are more likely to experience homelessness
Are more likely to be caught offending and go to jail
Are more likely to suffer from long term emotional and psychological problems
Are more likely to develop health problems
Tend to enter partnerships earlier and more often as a cohabitation
Are more likely to divorce or dissolve their cohabiting unions
Are more likely to have children outside marriage or outside any partnership................
what the hell is your point? we're talking about gay marriage here, not clamoring for more single mothers.

why is a man and a women a better parenting partnership than a man and a man or a women and a women?

why don't you break out your long list of facts as to how gay couple's children make out... there is much data yet, but i'll answer it for you. pretty damn good!
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Here
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Feel free to disagree, and btw thanks for all the personal invectives. It's rare for even an american liberal/leftist/assorted marxist to manage that but you've proven it can be done.
Whenever somebody asks for an opinion on homosexual “marriage” too often it used as an excuse by obnoxious homosexual radicals to ridicule and name call those they deem not in 100% agreement with their agenda. They fail to grasp that not everyone is as excited or thrilled about homosexuality as they are and this obviously frustrates and angers them to no end. Rather than listening to opinions different than theirs they seem to get off on the opportunity to attack and call people names instead.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:22 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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what the hell is your point? we're talking about gay marriage here, not clamoring for more single mothers.

why is a man and a women a better parenting partnership than a man and a man or a women and a women?why don't you break out your long list of facts as to how gay couple's children make out... there is much data yet, but i'll answer it for you. pretty damn good!
Lots of reasons. First off biological parents are generally more concerned with the lives of their children than step-parents (who may only be around for a little while anyway). Sexual abuse is 50% higher in a home with a step-father or "significant other." Secondly, men and women really aren't the same. They both bring differing and yet complimentary parenting skills to the mix. Two mothers still does not equal a father. Imagine that.

Homosexual pairings are generally not long term. Lesbians tend to stay together longer than males but they still have a tendancy to have more sexual partners in their lifetimes than straights. This does not enhance the "stable" part needed by children.

This is an old study......but it's a classic.



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..............Promiscuity

The Gay Report was unique in that for the first time society was permitted a glimpse into the gay subculture, to see if the rumors, stories and hearsay that had persisted for so long were true. In many cases, it appears, they were.

Accusations of promiscuity had long been levelled at the gay community. As Jay and Young's research indicates, these fears were justified. According to the study, 35% of respondents admitted to having had 100 or more different sexual partners throughout their lives (p.249); 18% admitted to having had between seven and 60 such partners in the previous month alone (p. 248), and 18% to having had three or more in the previous week (p. 248). 38% said the longest relationship they had ever had did not last longer than a year (p. 340). For lesbians the average relationship lasted 38 months (p. 302).

In answer to the question "how often do you go home to have sex with someone you have just met?" a total of 50% answered under the "always," "very frequently" or "somewhat frequently category" (p. 251). Jay and Young sum up, "Clearly, then, the one-night stand is within the experience of an overwhelming majority of gay men" (p. 252).

Furthermore, 77% of respondents had taken part in "threesomes" at least once, while 59% had taken part in orgies or group sex (p. 587). 38% had partaken of sadomasochistic practices at least once and 23% had practiced urination in association with sex (p. 555). 24% admitted to having been paid for sex (p. 260).

Nor are gay leaders shy to publicize their feelings in this regard. In the classic gay work Gay Manifesto, author Carl Wittman said that sadomasochism, "when consensual can be described as a highly artistic endeavor, a ballet the constraints of which are the thresholds of pain and pleasure" (cited on p. 554). Celebrated gay poet Allen Ginsberg commented favorably on orgies that, "It's an important human experience to relate to yourself and others as a hunk of meat sometimes" (pgs. 589-590), and referred to the orgy as "one holy divine yoga of losing ego" (590).

Curiously, Jay and Young appear to have little notion that the above constitutes "promiscuity." According to them, "Where does one draw the line and say that certain people have been promiscuous, and others have not? What value judgment is implied by the term 'promiscuous'? These questions are impossible to answer because they depend on subjective attitudes" (p. 249).

They cite gay respondents as saying that, "Promiscuity is a heterosexual concept used to attack us... If you speak in terms of 'sexual freedom' and sharing of sensual experience, it can be a fine thing. I guess it all depends upon motives" (p. 249). Another asserts that, "I have trouble with the word 'promiscuity' because I really do not know what it means. What is the line between infrequent or frequent sex and promiscuity? If I have sex three times a day and am very selective in the choice of mates, am I promiscuous or highly selective and super-horny?" (p. 249)..........
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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I'm a teacher. It breaks my heart to see the "family groupings" I'm seeing these days. They don't work as well as a traditional family unit biological mother/father/lifetime marriage/children. This model give us the very best children we can ask for. We can educate these children. Decades of research tell us anything else will just fill our prison and mental hospital wards with human waste.
You're a teacher? ::shudder::

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Old 03-30-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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Is this Ron Paul's stance? If so it's pretty good.

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As a conservative who really doesn't care for how the Republicans deal with some of the social issues, I would like to see what other conservatives think on gay marriage in terms of small government.

Personally I don't care who marries who, I don't care how many people a person marries. If a straight guy wants 10 wives and can find them, go for it. If a gay guy wants to marry another guy, go for it. If 5 women want to get married all to each other, go for it.

Why? Because THAT is what SMALL government is about. It is about a government that stays out of our private lives altogether. I do not feel marriage should be something the government has anything to do with. It should be a religous ceremony or private relationship commitment between adults who want to, however they want to, whenever they want to.

Small government means staying out of people's private lives.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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All the studies you've posted are comparing two-parent (NOT straight-only specifically) households with single households. Not relevant to this debate at all. You need studies comparing HETERO households with HOMOSEXUAL households directly to make your point.....although maybe you don't want to link those because you know what they show (that kids raised with two same-sex parents do just as well as kids raised with opposite-sex parents).

Also, scary to think you're a teacher and you already think of some of your kids as future "human waste". I'm sure that doesn't come out subconsciously when you teach at all
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:28 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Whenever somebody asks for an opinion on homosexual “marriage” too often it used as an excuse by obnoxious homosexual radicals to ridicule and name call those they deem not in 100% agreement with their agenda. They fail to grasp that not everyone is as excited or thrilled about homosexuality as they are and this obviously frustrates and angers them to no end. Rather than listening to opinions different than theirs they seem to get off on the opportunity to attack and call people names instead.
I have nothing against homosexuals. As far as I'm concerned they should be free to live their lives as they wish. This doesn't mean I support those policies advocated by the democratic party meant to ensure their continuing support for the democratic party. That's simply politics.

For many, if I don't support the political aspirations of the democratic party then I must be anti-gay. It's absurd really but such is the state of political and social discourse in the us in the 21st century. Oh, bother.
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